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[joe]

The Turkish-occupied north of Cyprus a human rights black hole

STRASBOURG - The Turkish-occupied north of Cyprus was denounced by key Council of Europe politicians as 'a Black Hole,' where the Human Rights of Greek Cypriot refugees are ignored.

At the same time, a large majority of the CoE parliament also criticised Turkey's refusal to include Human Rights issues in the proposed new round of peace talks on the basis of the UN July 8 agreement.


Read the full article here:
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/artic ... black+hole

[Nikephoros]

Turks will only exploit human rights when they want to promote Turkish interests.

When it comes to implementing them for their own internal minorities of course they have no idea what the word means.

The only way you can expect a muslim nation to implement human rights is if you are an ignorant. Check the Pact of Umar to understand the muslim views on minority rights: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/pact-umar.html

[humanist]

Joe, thank you for that interesting article, unfortunately as the article says, too many words little action and deed comes from it.

UN and EU need to take morea ction on this matter. EU needs to make it clear to Turkey that so long as she is violating human rights of Cypriots there will be NO FUCKING MEMBERSHIP. Turkish Speaking Cypriots also need to be told loud and clear that so long as refugees arerefused the right of return there will be continuing economic isolations, END OF STORY. However, Cyprus is used by many EU politicians to cover the fact that they do not want Turkey in the EU. Less words more deeds. SHAME ON THE EU. Turksih Speaking Cypriots ought to be assisted to move south so they can escape the economic isolations if they wish to do so. The ROC needs to become more pro-active in that area of this issue and let the trnc be for what it is at the moment a black hole.

[free_cyprus]

what rights have all cyprus got when we are occupied by greece turkey and britain....................... the only right we have is to say yes all the time that is far as it goes say no and you are banished from your work and you are banished from the circle that worships greece and turkey simple as that......................so please dont tell me about human right in my cyprus

[Murataga]

@humanist-

Turksih Speaking Cypriots ought to be assisted to move south so they can escape the economic isolations if they wish to do so

There are things more important to us, the TCs, than money (not to mention that we have GDP per capita above 10000$- more than triple of Bulgaria that just got into the EU). Our independence, security, and freedom to decide for ourselves and our children are just a couple of these. We have fought hard lost many lives to get these from the illegal GC adminstration. We have no intention of giving these up, ever again. We will live with them or die trying to preserve them. The sooner you grip on this reality the sooner you will start to make sense. There will be no concession on those terms ever in the Cyprus conflict on our behalf.

[free_cyprus]

Murataga
why dont you tell us about your soo called turkish cypriotas you so proudly proclaim to the world is it not true that tmt commited crimes agains cypriot people as well as eoka................. many people have lost their lives in cyprus as a proxy war between turkey and greece. they fecked us over left right and centre and you speak of being a turksih cypriot what a load of cobblers............................. you and people like defend what you are brainwashed to defend and its same with the greek speaking people to................. and what are you defending your defending being a turk cos you speak the language just like greek speaking defend themselves to be greek cos they speak the language...................... in another words we cypriots do not have identity we have to belong somewhere dont we ................. well you lot can call yourself greeks or turks as long as you dont include me in your little world of allussions

[Get Real!]

There are things more important to us, the TCs, than money (not to mention that we have GDP per capita above 10000$- more than triple of Bulgaria that just got into the EU).

Why do you post unfounded rubbish? How did you arrive at this ridiculous figure?

[humanist]

Murataga I do not have any problem with you guys having independence, that is rtotally fine if that is what you want, but just remember that you cannot have independence on the violation of the rights of other cypriots. Go ask Turkey for portion of her territory and build your own country on land that is given to you, not taken from others without their consent and then you have independence. The more that I am non this forum the more I conclude that Turkish Speaking Cypriot leadership and people have no intention of unification and this is clear by your post, Murataga. Well that once again is fine but you cannot expecta that you can build a country on stolen land and not have consequences of international economic embargo.

The same old same old, yes in the 60's some Turkish speaking Cypriots expreienced discrimination and violence, however confiscating half the country and building a so called republic, is wrong also, and if we learn from Israel there cannot be a country build on stolen land and not have ramifications. Is that the future you want for all Cypriots? It has been stated many times before that Turkish speaking Cypriots DO NOT give a hoot about Greek Speaking Cypriots, but that aside is that the future you want for future Turkish Speaking Cypriot children, always living under the fact that their country is build on stolen land? Two wrongs cannot make a right, my friend. However I am not here to convince you that unification is better than separation.

[Viewpoint]

Murataga I do not have any problem with you guys having independence, that is rtotally fine if that is what you want, but just remember that you cannot have independence on the violation of the rights of other cypriots. Go ask Turkey for portion of her territory and build your own country on land that is given to you, not taken from others without their consent and then you have independence. The more that I am non this forum the more I conclude that Turkish Speaking Cypriot leadership and people have no intention of unification and this is clear by your post, Murataga. Well that once again is fine but you cannot expecta that you can build a country on stolen land and not have consequences of international economic embargo.

The same old same old, yes in the 60's some Turkish speaking Cypriots expreienced discrimination and violence, however confiscating half the country and building a so called republic, is wrong also, and if we learn from Israel there cannot be a country build on stolen land and not have ramifications. Is that the future you want for all Cypriots? It has been stated many times before that Turkish speaking Cypriots DO NOT give a hoot about Greek Speaking Cypriots, but that aside is that the future you want for future Turkish Speaking Cypriot children, always living under the fact that their country is build on stolen land? Two wrongs cannot make a right, my friend. However I am not here to convince you that unification is better than separation.

How can you steal something which is yours, why do you have problems understanding that we were unable to live together and we are still having problems agreeing anything that will unite Cyprus. Have you ever considered that there is not magic solution and that living separately is the best solution under the circumstances. I still feel GCs should move north and demand their rights and live under TC administration just like you suggest we do by moving south to live under GC administration.

[humanist]

VP north Cyrus is not yours it is mostly stolen land from Greek Speaking Cypriots who have been ousted and threatened with death if they return to their properties, loud clear and very simple for even the most idiotic person to comprehend.

We also CHOOSE not to live with each other. If I can have a Turkish family living two doors up, from mine acknowledge, respect and interact with them in Australia, if I can shop at the local Turkish Pide shop on fortnightly basis and interact with the owners laugh and even attempt to learn Turkis I am sure it can be achieved in Cyprus.

You are right there is NO magic solution< however there can be a human solution, nothing on this planet has been built without the desire to do so. If we stoped our little human minds for a moment, left our victim identity behind, left our hate and prejudice to one side we can achieve a solution to the Cyprus Problem. This is all about power struggles and ego and the positive benefits to some people who have gained and stand to gain much more from a divided Cyprus. I have said it before and I make no apology about it and will say it again, I believe that you and yur family are one of those who stand to gain much more.

I would welcome any move by your leadership that invited greek speakers to reclaim their properties in the north. I would doubly respect any turkish speaker who approaches the RoC governement requesting financial assistance to re-buld and reclaim their properties in the south and at that point invites the greek speaker owner of the property they are currently occupying to return. And it brings joy to my heart even tantalising this idea that a turkish speaking facly would say we have our own land in paphos lets claim it, lets invite the refugee of this home infornt of TV and media and give them their key back. That would be the start of a solution VP that would be a start to a new Cyprus, No politicians, but everyday people doing the best for a new United Cyprus. Even if one family did this you will see that when they returned to their home in paphos they would be given a heroes welcome and their deed will be appreciated and heralded by many on both sides of the divide. Does such family exist? Better still would your divisive regime and order from Turkey allow for this to happen, all it would take is one family on either side of the divide and here is your magic solution.

Such an action will make the July 8th agreement, come to fruition and a hope that we can all live in our homeland together making it a stronger better country for ourselves and our children.