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[Viewpoint]

Yes Murataga, I know that human lives have been lost My 17 year old uncle was killed by the turks in the 74 invasion. Yet I am willing for a unified Cyprus and all its people.

Make no mistake that the stiff resistance in Cyprus from the Turkish side has come and will forever becoming from the Turks not the Turkish speaking Cypriots, Besides that if there ever was and there never will be an attempt towards such a stupid pathetic notion again, but for arguments sake lets say there will be I will be standing next to you fighting for something different. So long as I agreed with it.

VP about my choice, I have no choice in buying land in the north especially one that has not been stolen from a refugee.

Totally disagree with your comment about the stiff resistance only coming from Turks; the TC viewpoint has hardened since the opening of the borders, what have you to say to this?

As to your comments about not being allowed to move to the north and enjoying the same roghts as us, have you registered that this is what I think the north has to do in order to move forward.

[Murataga]

@humanist:

Make no mistake that the stiff resistance in Cyprus from the Turkish side has come and will forever becoming from the Turks not the Turkish speaking Cypriots

Such thinking and remarks are an excellent display of how powerful the GC propaganda machine is and how successfull it has been in distorting realities and history. It is disgusting what these people have made you believe. The doors are open since 2003. How many TCs have started living in the South? Have you ever asked this quesion to yourself? Here is the hard fact that perhaps the Papadopoulos election campaign forgot to mention: We are addicted to our freedom and independence and prepared to die defending it, as history has shown to the whole world and hopefully to the GCs.

As far as your ludicrous comment goes: No. YOU make no mistake that the stiff resistance came from the Turkish Cypriots, and it will always come from the Turkish Cypriots if same attacks prevail. Turkey makes up for what we can`t in military power, that is it.

p.s. You can call yourself whatever you like but we are not "Turkish speaking Cypriots", we are Turkish Cypriots.

[zan]

humanist: Read it carefully again:

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@Zan- Welcome back, we missed you. I am so sorry about you health. I hope you will get well soon. Please keep us posted and let me know if there is anything I can do.

@humanist- I believe Zan and Viewpoint have clearly answered your post. There isn`t much I will add to their logical answers. However, I wish to make a correction in your post regarding a comment on Enosis. You said:

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The fact that it did not succeed tells your that most greek speaking cyp's did not want union with Greece and I for one thank God for it not happenning.


No. The fact that it didn`t succeed does not tell us that the GCs didn`t want it. The fact that it didn`t succeed tells us that the TC resistance and Turkey`s Peace Operation succeeded in deterring this lunatic crusade. GCs wanted Enosis, GCs worked for Enosis, GCs killed for ENosis, GCs slayed the partnership of the two people in RoC for Enosis, GCs preferred Enosis over independence and freedom. I am sorry but it is going to take a little more than an apology to make up for it for human lives and suffering is not that cheap. You ask if we want to live on stolen land: you stabbed us for refusing to succumb to Enosis and now claiming damage because of the blood stain on your knife. Furthermore, I don`t see your people having any problem living in prosperity on a hijacked government and stolen rights of TCS for the past 44 years.

Any GC who wants to talk about the Cyprus conflict and Enosis should first read and memorize the following with the corresponding dates:

(1) Archbishop Makarios III, in an interview with the Frankfurter Rundschau, reported in Cyprus Mail, 16 May 1974 (!)

"Enosis had always been for the Greek Cypriots a deeprooted national aspiration. To me independence is a comprimise. In other words, if I had a free choice between ENOSIS and independence, I would support ENOSIS."

(2) Archbishop Makarios III, in an interview given to the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet, 12 March 1977 (!)

"It is in the name of ENOSIS that Cyprus has been destroyed"

Enosis was prooved to the GCs as something they will never be able to accomplish with the stiff Turkish resistance in Cyprus. Make no mistake about this.

@ Murataga

Thank you kardesim. I seem to be on a roller coaster ride at the moment with my health some days better than others but such is life.



Can I also add a point to Humanist that Kifeas and Piratis have quoted both many times the number that voted for ENOSIS as being over 90%. The deliberate mistake they made though was to say that that figure included the TCs when it clearly did not. So he statement you made Humanist is inaccurate

[Nikephoros]

We also CHOOSE not to live with each other. If I can have a Turkish family living two doors up, from mine acknowledge, respect and interact with them in Australia, if I can shop at the local Turkish Pide shop on fortnightly basis and interact with the owners laugh and even attempt to learn Turkis I am sure it can be achieved in Cyprus.

Dear troubled and confused soul, maybe these questions can help clear your incorrect thoughts:

How many Turks are living in Australia?
Do they control the government, military, judicial system?

Now do not answer such questions aloud. If Australia had as many Turks running it as the TRNC or Turkey things would be alot different. I imagine your life would suck then.

Next time do not think too hard, it hurts, I know. Especially for the simple minds.

[zan]

We also CHOOSE not to live with each other. If I can have a Turkish family living two doors up, from mine acknowledge, respect and interact with them in Australia, if I can shop at the local Turkish Pide shop on fortnightly basis and interact with the owners laugh and even attempt to learn Turkis I am sure it can be achieved in Cyprus.

Dear troubled and confused soul, maybe these questions can help clear your incorrect thoughts:

How many Turks are living in Australia?
Do they control the government, military, judicial system?

Now do not answer such questions aloud. If Australia had as many Turks running it as the TRNC or Turkey things would be alot different. I imagine your life would suck then.

Next time do not think too hard, it hurts, I know. Especially for the simple minds.

Another prat laying claim to th whole country and then he calls others stupid for not seeing the difference between Cyprus and Australia.

[Nikephoros]

Whose a prat?

I do not say how lame examples of good relations between Austrialian Greeks and Australian Turks relates at all to areas where Turks are actually controlling the government, the judiciary and the military. So the example is irrelevant to anything.

In Turkey and TRNC the Turks who run the government and military, see to it that looting Greek property is a national pastime activity. If any Australian Turks had similar ambitions unfortunately for them Turks do not control the government there. The problems of Turkish ass in Australia being in jail is much higher for the kind of things they get away with in areas where they govern as a nation.

[zan]

Whose a prat?

I do not say how lame examples of good relations between Austrialian Greeks and Australian Turks relates at all to areas where Turks are actually controlling the government, the judiciary and the military. So the example is irrelevant to anything.

In Turkey and TRNC the Turks who run the government and military, see to it that looting Greek property is a national pastime activity. If any Australian Turks had similar ambitions unfortunately for them Turks do not control the government there. The problems of Turkish ass in Australia being in jail is much higher for the kind of things they get away with in areas where they govern as a nation.

And the killing and burning of TC property is only legal in Hellenic states or part and parcel of the right way to change a constitution

[humanist]

CoE officials warn Turkey


CoE officials warn Turkey
of sanctions
over Cyprus

By Angelos Marcopoulos

STRASBOURG
TURKEY has been warned by Council of Europe officials of likely sanctions if it continues to refuse to implement the judgements of the European Court of Human Rights ordering it to restore the usurped rights of the Greek Cypriot refugees.
The imposition of sanctions has been made possible following the adoption of the CoE's new Charter, said Halvdan Skard, the Norwegian President of the CoE's watchdog on local democracy, the Pan-European Congress of Local and Regional Authorities (CLRAE).
Dr Irina Pereverzeva, the Russian President of the CLRAE Rules Committee, stressed that "we must take our collective responsibilities for the implementation of the rules. There must be consequences for those who violate the rules.''
Jan Micalef, the CoE's special Rapporteur on Cyprus, declared that "concerning Turkey, while taking into account all views fundamental both to the Republic of Cyprus and to the Turkish Cypriot community in the occupied area of course, the judgements of the European Court of Human Rights and the UN Security Council resolutions on Cyprus, have to be respected."
"But unfortunately, we saw some contrary measures recently in the Turkish-occupied territories of Cyprus which could adversely affect the prospects of a solution.''
He explained that such measures included the increasing illegal influx of Turkish mainland settlers to the occupied north and "illegal acts concerning refugees' properties.''
"In principle, all aspects of human rights, including those of refugees, should be raised in connection with local democracy," Keith Whitmore, a British Liberal member of the CoE Parliament , who is also the author of a special Council report on human rights told The Cyprus Weekly.

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default. ... wsID=304_1

Lets see if theCoE will actually follow through with appropriate action.