humanist wrote:Murataga I do not have any problem with you guys having independence, that is rtotally fine if that is what you want, but just remember that you cannot have independence on the violation of the rights of other cypriots. Go ask Turkey for portion of her territory and build your own country on land that is given to you, not taken from others without their consent and then you have independence. The more that I am non this forum the more I conclude that Turkish Speaking Cypriot leadership and people have no intention of unification and this is clear by your post, Murataga. Well that once again is fine but you cannot expecta that you can build a country on stolen land and not have consequences of international economic embargo.
The same old same old, yes in the 60's some Turkish speaking Cypriots expreienced discrimination and violence, however confiscating half the country and building a so called republic, is wrong also, and if we learn from Israel there cannot be a country build on stolen land and not have ramifications. Is that the future you want for all Cypriots? It has been stated many times before that Turkish speaking Cypriots DO NOT give a hoot about Greek Speaking Cypriots, but that aside is that the future you want for future Turkish Speaking Cypriot children, always living under the fact that their country is build on stolen land? Two wrongs cannot make a right, my friend. However I am not here to convince you that unification is better than separation.
I am sorry that I have been away for a while and left guys like Murataga and VP alone to face these wolves like Humanist
but my health has taken a turn for the worse and until I can regain control I am afraid that I will not be posting as often as I like.
Humanist
You have slowly but surely found the party line that Piratis and others like him like to quote over and over again. The fact that you keep using the term "human rights" does not excuse the lack of human rights that the GCs have exhibited for the TCs for so long. Since entry into the EU, you guys seem to be bandying this term around as if you have treated us fairly all along. You also said that you are now convinced that we do not want unification but....OH! How soon they forget. Although the Annan plan was not to your satisfaction, you seem to forget that the TCs voted an emphatic yes to unification. Instead of turning your anger on the RoC for not negotiating properly and using that positive move by the EU to unify our island, you now try to blame us for it. All this bullshit about the TC on the street knowing all about the details and therefore that is why they voted yes is just that, Bullshit. It is quite clear that your beloved TPap is more interested in supreme power for the GCs than he is for unification. You too have become a staunch "pass the buck" poster that seems to bend and distort the recent past. The TCs have realised that they will no longer be Cypriots in a united Cyprus but will be downgraded to a community status only and this is simply not acceptable. This whole thing has become more and more a fight against the GCs wanting total union with Greece. We seem to be the new fighters against the EOKA type warfare that so far has been political and now you have repeated what others have said (in threatening terms) that if we do not bow down to this we will be attacked. Where are the human rights in that. So your name as "Humanist" really means "Greek Humanist". You are really only fighting for your corner and your refugees and your rights and not for everyone’s equal rights.
The party line seems to be that the negotiations are over. The RoC is in the EU and that is the standard that we need to reach so we might as well give up. You guys have reached the point that Cyprus has to be at and we are 100% wrong. History seems to be repeating it self and all the fears that we had then and have been restating here is to be ignored. I think you (as a whole) are being a little bit naive in thinking that that is the end of the story. You are also being very inconsistent in your sympathy for the way we have been treated and the remedy for our fears and for us to vote for unification once again. What you guys fail to understand time and time again is that if you have it so good over there and we can have the same, why oh why is there no mass immigration to the south. Is it because we like to be with our own and you guys have pushed us away so far that we do not feel like the Cypriots you want us to be. Free Cyprus is so right when he says that there are no Cypriots left on the island. Only Greeks and Turks. I guess in those terms there is only one thing left to do and that is to fight our corner while you fight yours. This can only mean that we will be more dependant on Turkey and will therefore feel more Turkish than Cypriot. The GC refugee problem will just be a regrettable consequence of the whole problem and no matter how much you shout about it, it will just be another consequence. We cannot sit around waiting for you guys to start thinking in terms of our well being so we will go forward as best we can. WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTION. Without concessions from you in that respect you have taken away all other options from the table.
