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[karma]

looooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllll
canimin ici??
gosh , what else??

[shahmaran]

Balim?

Cigerim?

Misir patlagim?

And some say Turkish is only good for swearing!

[LENA]

Lena

VP and I have never argued with the fact that if all things were equal that we would argue against unification. The fact of the matter is that so much work has to be done in order to get to a point when either of us could see it as being a viable solution. We see every day and more and more is being done to the detriment of unification that common sense says that that is the only option left. As you say the idea that it could happen is many years away and we can only talk for what is going on today. As quickly as you made up your mind, by speaking to a few young people that it is possible, we have come to our conclusion after, in my case, three years of talking to people on both sides. I am more than happy to accept your version of an isolated event that you experienced and am more than happy for it to happen, it is just that my experience tells me different. Miracles can happen though. I am also more than happy for you and people that think like you not to lose your hope because I have seen too many people turn from how you think to toeing the party line that is sure to impose partition on you whether you like it or not.


The problem I have with many that refuse to see the TC part of this is that you guys have no fear of losing your culture and your identity. At most you are losing a house or a piece of land. We are fighting for our very existence here and the term "Cypriot" simply does not cover this. Whether people like it or not there is no "Cypriot" as a single entity. Yes we have many similarities but we also have many unique qualities that say I am a Turkish Cypriot. Nothing can change that and I don't want it to. No one can take away the fact that the Turkish part of my Cypriotness exists. By taking that word and my identity away dose no justice to who and what I am. You can only add to that as in now, I am a British-Turkish- Cypriot. If I move to the US, I will be an American-British-Turkish-Cypriot and so on. You cannot take away but only add.

No pain, no gain. Zan I agree that there are lots of thing that we need to do. But we have to do them …not sit there and argue because we have to do those things.

You are talking about facts. Well the fact is that GC are more than the TC…that is a fact. What you want us to do…stop getting married, having children and wait for the TC until they become equal with us? Tell me when the TC was equal with GC…and I am only talking in the matter of numbers…TC was a minority in Cyprus since ever

As many years as I have to wait and fight I will sacrifice them but I will not accept the partition…I prefer to stay like that than give up from my country. Because is that how I feel accepting the partition. I am not going to accept the legal division of my country. You can call me too optimistic, dreamer, stupid…anything you want … but that’s how I feel…and since I talk with other compatriots of mine and agree with me…yes I will not change my mind and I will keep dreaming. I usually like to think about the present and what I have at the moment…but I am not going to ignore the future. I will do everything that I can for the best of my country…and trust me I am working on something in my area…If I succeed, I will let you know. But the whole idea of unification, if it will happen one day, we have to work from now. Get along with each other from now. It will be difficult to accept each other one day from one day to the other.

By the way is not the first time that I talk or heart stories and opinion from TC and GC. I lived all my life with GC talking about those things and my dad has lots of TC friends and he is a refugee and he used to invite them home…and he still does since the “borders” opened. But I didn’t pay much attention then. And we have a friendly TC family that live in Potamia…that village has lots of TC. So I had lots of TC around me for years now. But I am talking about young people, the future citizens of Cyprus. People like Shah and some GC friends make me believe that things was more difficult than I was hopping but now my hopes are even more stronger and I believe that one day I might see my dreams come true.

You know what Zan I am Cypriot and in Cyprus we have 3 languages. Greek, Turkish and English. I know two of them…and as Cypriot I decided that I have to learn Turkish as well. That doesn’t mean that I will become Turkish more now than I was before. I don’t change my Cypriotness as you said but I don’t add anything else. I live in UK at the moment and I do speak their language …. That doesn’t add the British part on my nationality, even if I was living here for years. I didn’t born here, I didn’t grow up as British and I will never change the Cypriot part of me…whenever I go. I am sorry but for me there is the Cypriot nation. And I am part of it.

Lena
I am sorry but you accuse me of not seeing both sides of the story when it is you that are guilty of that fact. You seem to have accepted that the island of Cyprus is a Greek based one and I should just become part of it as a Cypriot. The history of this island is far too complicated for me to do that and as I stated many times before I am fed up of explaining to people that I am not Greek because I come from Cyprus. You are far too eager to put us into a minority status with Greek values. We have been living for nearly half a century as proud Turkish Cypriots and for us to give that up at the toss of a hat is something that is not going to happen. The fact that if events of the 60s did not happen then there would be much more Turkish speaking Cypriots still on the island is a fact that many have tried to deny but I believe that that would have been the case so the numbers of today are a distorted reality that must be addressed. I also take great offence to you saying that I dance to different tunes. There is only two ways that anything will be decided in Cyprus within peaceful means and that is either our proper place within the infrastructure of Cyprus with all the past events catered for or a slow but steady push for recognition of the TRNC/KKTC by us. The other option is war coming from the RoC side. We have no aspirations to take over the whole island but the RoC has and that is the direction that war will come from just like in the 60s.

Zan what is wrong with you? Where did I say that Cyprus is Greek based? Where did I say that? If you are talking about the language…well since I believe that can you tell me why I am bothered to learn Turkish? Do you think that I enjoy trying to pronounce or understand why its been written like that and not like another way? Did I ever said that you are Greek? You don’t have to explain to me anything and I don’t care about you have to do that for others…don’t blame me or Cyprus for that. I am sorry to put you into a minority status but you are a minority…I don’t put you in that position because I want to. That is a fact….and facts can not change. Why you will give up from being proud Turkish Cypriot if you will live with us in a united country? If events of the 59, 60s and 70s GC didn’t happened was going to be over a million. But time can not go back. What is your point Zan? Do you want to go back? Do you want to stick in the past? Do you think you can change anything by this attitude?

I am sorry if you felt offended, it was not my intention and I am sorry if I made you feel that way. What I meant it was that one time you say how much you want to live with us and the very next moment how impossible is the unification. I learn that if you want something you fight for you don’t give up and say it’s impossible. One moment you say how much you suffer from us and that TC was the victim and the very next moment you say that I don’t hear both sides.

You know what Zan. Your solutions doesn’t include GC with any good way…you want us out of your future … how you can say that you want us?


Tell me do you want us? Do you conceder us as your compatriots?

[LENA]

Oh come on lady! Now why would i want to make you upset Lena, you are the most angelic being around here, it would be nothing but criminal!!

Me as the humble creature I can only try to impress you while failing miserably but never the less i shall not give up EVER!

Sanada iyi gunler canimin ici!

Well my dear Shah, humble creature of this earth (as you called your self), I am still not impressed. Love words do not impress me any more especially when I know that are just simple words. And by the way I am not easily impressed generally!! You have to try harder…since you said that you are not willing to give up!!!

And you avoid my question by trying to impress me with your snaky way. I want an answer from you…

[shahmaran]

I think my dear Lena, you seriously need a sarcasm detector installed...

What was your question anyways?

[LENA]

Dear Shah...who need the detector me or you ????

Please I need you to pay attention to the lectures...I am not willing to repeat my self too many times...I have other things to do as well!!

Shah can you tell me a reason why Turks put the flag in the mountain? Why they spend all that money to do that? By the way try to convince me that it was a really good reason ok?

[shahmaran]

Why not Lena?

Why does any country put up flags or statues or quotes?

[LENA]

Why not Lena?

Why does any country put up flags or statues or quotes?

tstststs....wrong answer. I asked for an answer and you came up with two questions. Answer Shah... I need an ANSWER! Dont tell me that even you dont know any good reason!!! I will give you 2 more chances! Then I will have to give you an F for this class!!!

[shahmaran]

Lena, you are not asking a real question, you are trying to make a statement which is disguised as a question...

Are you telling me that we are the only people on earth who put up flags of their country within their territory?

Why is it bothering you so much anyway? Is it the flashy lights?

[LENA]

Lena, you are not asking a real question, you are trying to make a statement which is disguised as a question...

Are you telling me that we are the only people on earth who put up flags of their country within their territory?

Why is it bothering you so much anyway? Is it the flashy lights?

Ok try one more time...or else you will get an F...and you will have to repeat the whole year...I dont want you to regret about your decisions. Try one more time-last one- and if you feel that you will fail again ...study a bit more ok? Oh and one more tip from me...try this time to answer without ANY QUESTIONS!

Good luck to your last attempt.