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[PENPOINT]

"Naive" question: Criticism is fine and healthy, does anybody have any suggestions?
I have the impression that from Socrates time, a rhetor (speaker at the agora/forum) would be considered a good one if along with his criticism he would suggest a solution or at least present his idea about such a solution. Hence some language scientists define the word "problem" (provlima) as pro-lema (pro lymatos) i.e problem=a situation you are in before a solution.
We are taking part in a forum, which is the latin/modern word for agora, so I suggest we use the same method, in other words that of the ancient Greeks who would suggest something instead of wasting time placing ourselves in extreme positions as described very much correctly by Pyrpolizer just above....
Note: Socrates and Plato and the rest of these boys are studied until today by millions of people around the World, political scientists and others, and we seem to have forgotten our grandfathers' ways of discussions and communication and when running out of discussion points we just sware against each other with a manner or without transforming the noble idea of agora/forum into a jewish "havra"(ha vo ra =agora!)
LOL:Maybe we are Arabs after all !!! (Maybe we even fight about Halloumi or Hellim which is nothing else than an original Arab delicacy..TIP Try it grilled along with a drop of Honey...delicious!!!

[lupusdiavoli]

You overestimate this dialectic tradition of yours.
Rhetors were the worst kind sicne they claimed they possesed the art of speech i.e manipulating and crafting arguments...

Even Socrates based his method -if we believe his student Plato- on extremism. He was one after all.

He got what he wanted at the end anyway



Political thought turned its back to them long ago. That is why they called them ancient

[Piratis]

During the time of Socrates and Plato Athens was a super power in the region and it had the ability to implement solutions immitiedly.

Since we are not a super power achieving an acceptable solution requires long term planing and patience. "Out of the box" solutions simply do not exist in our case.

[PENPOINT]

True, but dont you agree with me on the point that we have to present our arguments as well? If we just citisise others its not fruitful now is it?
For example, I suggest that the solution to the Cyprus Problem is so simple that people do not seem to see it. I am saying that if one day all military forces are demolished, all lines dividing the country demolished and everybody is allowed to go home to their properties or get compensation for them under one government elected by majority by all people living in the island who have the right of citizenship then everything will be back to normal with all of the beauty of Cyprus to be shared by all of its people. Am I dreaming?

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

NO your not dreaming and that is what most Greek Cypriots want. The problem is most Turkish Cypriots want some kind of exclusive Turkish state in Cyprus and special priveleges.