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[reportfromcyprus]

I think it didn't work for the same reason as communism, it was too idealistic in expecting the involved parties to be unselfish enough to give and take.

Unlike communism, however, I'm optimistic (if a bit cynical) that it could work.

Why? Common economic interests, at the end of the day, belonging to the EU works out for every community on the island.

[Piratis]

Too idealistic??

[Get Real!]

you have received an answer elsewhere GR... who wrote this document ? is it really the official position of the UN ?

My last reply to him says it all...

Erolz, you have failed to provide any evidence that the author of this document is somebody other than the UN.

Your theory rests entirely on your disagreement with the contents of this document so you therefore deem the document invalid!

Knowing how damning this document is for the Turkish Cypriot community you will go to any length to pervert the course of justice in your selfish attempt to undermine historical facts forming the core of the tragedy of Cyprus.

You also ignore what the Secretary-General of the UN had to say in 1965 who clearly confirms the essence of my thread and I remind…

“Why didn’t the 1960 Constitution of Cyprus work?”

…and the Secretary-General answers my question very clearly in black and white for those who care to read:

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots" (S/6426).

You can live in denial all you want Erolz but that doesn’t change facts.

[Pyrpolizer]

He,he,he the S/6426 after all...

[cypezokyli]

look you have posted 2 things.
the first was indeed written by the RoC. and the evidence for that were shown to you over and over again. you just dont want to admit that you made a mistake.

the second was indeed a report that was written by the representative of the SG in the 60s.

problem is, times change .... and the way people think also changes (or at least in some places).... obviously , this is not how the UN thought afterwards.... you are stuck on a report written 40 years ago, and you forget tenths of documents for the last 30 years who propose only one thing : BBF

[Piratis]

the first was indeed written by the RoC.

So since the content of what Get Real! wrote is undeniable and therefore beyond debate, you started now to debate "who wrote it"?

What I say is that I agree 100% with it. Of course as I said earlier there are other elements not included in the quotes by Get Real. But can anybody claim that what is written there is untrue?

About BBF: This is just a vague term and nothing beyond it. It can mean different things to different people. It has never been an agreement of what this BBF is exactly and how it will be applied, however it goes without saying that it should be compatible with the UN principles of human rights and democracy.

Here are the human rights: http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
And here is a description of democracy: http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/w ... hatdm2.htm

Unless you will claim that the UN ever suggested that democracy and human rights will not be applied to Cyprus. If you suggest this, then show me the relevant documents.

And by the way, as you said, times change. And since 2004 Cyprus is a member of EU and therefore the constitution and all laws of Cyprus should now be in accordance with the EU acquis as well.

[askimwos]

The problem for you Piratis is that the GC side committed themselves to a BBF with the high level agreements, so your dreams about returning to the 1960 constitution is a no go area for both the TC community and the international community and even the UN themselves.

A federation is still a democratic system and is implemented in many countries. Furthermore, you always quote the EU and the acquis as the temple od democracy. What about the veto right that every member nation (even the smallest one) has and can use on a wide spectrum of policy areas? So please stop using the EU as an argument against BBF!

For me there are two options for Cyprus...federation or partition. I certainly know which one I prefer, its time some people make up their minds (both GCs and TCs).

[Piratis]

The problem for you Piratis is that the GC side committed themselves to a BBF with the high level agreements, so your dreams about returning to the 1960 constitution is a no go area for both the TC community and the international community and even the UN themselves.

What do you mean "Returning to the 1960 constitution"? Thats what we have now and thats the only thing that is legal today, even though it is not functioning as it should due to the occupation.

A federation is still a democratic system and is implemented in many countries.

Nobody said the opposite. As long as the federation is created by legal means, not by ethnic cleansing.

Furthermore, you always quote the EU and the acquis as the temple od democracy. What about the veto right that every member nation (even the smallest one) has and can use on a wide spectrum of policy areas? So please stop using the EU as an argument against BBF!

You are confused. EU is not a country. EU is an association of separate independent countries that follow the EU principles.

For me there are two options for Cyprus...federation or partition. I certainly know which one I prefer, its time some people make up their minds (both GCs and TCs).

I don't mind federation as long as the land distribution is proportional and it is a real federation like the ones that exist in other federal countries (e.g. USA or Russia).

For me the option are also two options: A permanent solution, which can be only the one based on democratic principles and human rights creating one body of equal Cypriot citizens with common interests OR a temporary solution, which will change (maybe with bloody conflicts) every now and then based on the shifts of the balance of power. Which do you prefer?

[iceman]

The problem for you Piratis is that the GC side committed themselves to a BBF with the high level agreements, so your dreams about returning to the 1960 constitution is a no go area for both the TC community and the international community and even the UN themselves.

What do you mean "Returning to the 1960 constitution"? Thats what we have now and thats the only thing that is legal today, even though it is not functioning as it should due to the occupation.

Anyone who doesn't know history would think that the 1960 Constitution was functioning perfectly before the "occupation"

[free_cyprus]

1960 agreement is not worth the paper its written on...........................its a joke and the international community is laughing at us