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[Bananiot]

So you have seen the pic snake. I take it you will post one of yours now, chicken.

[PENPOINT]

Did you guys read the post about Socrates?

[Kifeas]

Kifeas
the whole cypriot population is mentaly unstable and they have been for centuries . why do you think cypriot people are more prone to nervious breakdowns then others

Free_cyprus, I suggest you make sure you are not yourself excactly what you regard the whole cypriot population to be!

[free_cyprus]

Kifeas
ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY MY POST IS NOT TRUE LOL........................................not only is cypriots being told what to do what to say and how to behave by outsiide powers but the majorety of families control the lives of their sons and daughters............... tell me this is not true

[Simon]

[Simon]

This is not true.

[Kifeas]

You claim that times have changed. They have indeed but political thought and practice, even in this new environment, adhere to strict rules and norms. Then, you make the point that the political scene in Cyprus is healthy and that those that do not follow suit with the convectional wisdom of the majority are basically hetetics. You couldn't be more wrong. The political scene in Cyprus is utterly corrupt to an extend (just to mention one instance) that the most important newspapers in Serbia are writing daily about Cyprus and our role in the "stealing" of the billions of the money of our brother Serbs and our mass media pretend that nothing is happening and report nothing of the mayhem that is taking place in Serbia at this moment as we speak.

I do not know what “the most important newspapers in Serbia are writing daily!” All I can say is that if the Serbs believe that Cyprus has violated international law in any way or shape, and if they have evidence to prove this, then there are the proper ways and channels to obtain justice! We keep hearing this story for some time now, but have yet to see any reasonable, set aside tangible evidence. For the record, Papadopoulos firm has already sued the financial Times for a quarter of a million pounds, for their past allegations against him, in 2002. It will be interesting to see what evidence the financial times will provide to back up their allegations regarding the “theft” of the Serbian people’s money, but somehow I doubt it they will be able to defend their claims.

As for “the political scene in Cyprus” being “utterly corrupt,” I am certain that the political scene in the majority of countries around the globe, including the majority of countries of the EU, are equally if not more corrupt than that of Cyprus. If you know of any country that it has no political corruption, then let us know. Your statements are nothing more than abstract generalities aiming to impress the unaware that Cyprus is some kind of a third world country, even though you personally know by fact that this is not the case.

I put it to you that this is particularly true today. The powerful and the mighty, as you put it, can make or break you, especially when you ignore their political, financial and geopolitical interests. Take the simple matter of Matsakis. His latest antics have fuelled another round of rhetoric and big words from the patriots for the removal of the British Bases. Yesterday, the hoteliers were moaning and groaning about the uncertainty of the British market! Our welfare and livelyhood depend so much on those whom we constantly scorn that if they do take us seriously one day, we would be looking to commit harakiri. Yet, you suggest that times have changed in our favour (the small and the weak) and obviously we can gain things by applying to courts, where everyone is on equal footing. You have been taken for a ride my friend, from Papadopoulos, who thinks that political problems can be solved in courts.

Thanks for proving what I have said in my previous message. The tone and vocabulary you use to describe your feelings of awe in front of those “mighty and powerful,” tells a lot about the quality of your thoughts and choices. “The powerful and the mighty,” you said, “can make or break you, especially when you ignore their political, financial and geopolitical interests!” My god, I am already shaking! I will remind you what honourable Martin Luther king has said, paraphrasing him. “No one can possibly seat on your shoulders, if you do not also bend your knees!”

For the record, tourism now counts for only 14% of our economy, and if the British stop coming, it will only affect the size of our economy by 7%, since the British account for about 50% of visitors. It will merely take us 2-3 years back, since the average annual increase of our economy for the last 10-15 years is about 3-4%.

You bring dignity into your argument but you forgot to say that you must have dignity in the first place, in order to lose it. When did we have dignity? When we were on top and by our stupid actions invited Turkey to come to Cyprus, or perhaps when we rejected plan after plan for a solution. May be we had dignity (lots of it) when we told the Brits that we accept enosis and only enosis as the solution, without asking the Turkish Cypriots. Our dignity now is in excess and it is regularly taken on tour around the globe. Our government on three occasions in the past two years has put its signature under a document that says that "Turkey should continue to offer its good services for a solution to the Cyprus issue". I never said that it is entirely our fault of what has happened. I repeated on many occasions that we bear the greatest responsibility for this predicament, for after 1959 we viewed our Turkish Cypriot compatriots as second class citizens and massive obstacles to our plan for enosis. This is what dignity is all about, as far as I am concerned and if only 5% of the population thinks like me, so much the better. Remember, Papadopoulos stared with 1.5% so there must be hope for my "school of thought".

Pathetic!
The dogma of defeatist brains and demoralised people!
The syndrome of self-whipping!

Whatever our “wrongdoings” were, and we did things wrong, I do not accept they were comparatively so sever and grave to compel and oblige us to accept solutions of the nature and type of the Annan plan. Furthermore, our historical consciousness is not one of 40 or 50 years long, but one of thousands of years!

Finally, I have to take my hat off to Papadopoulos who has managed to convince you that he is interested in a solution based on BBF. May be you are easy to convince or perhaps he is a master at disguising his real aims. In any case, he has you and your "school of thought" in his pocket but he also has the other extreme of the political spectrum, as you described it, in his other pocket. The reason why they continue to support him cannot be because he is the champion of BBF but of course because he wants the Turks on one side and us on the other.

Do not worry Bananiot; no one has me in his pocket! Just make sure your good self is not in anyone’s pocket!

[PENPOINT]

any suggestions?

[Bananiot]

The only person shaking (in his pants) at the moment, Kifeas, is Papadopoulos, in the face of the direct trade the Turkish Cypriot will soon enjoy, thanks to the clever and brave efforts of the government that thinks that it can take the international community for a ride again, like in 2004, by turning attention to the July agreement of last year. Of course when the defeatists were warning of the forthcoming Taiwanisation of Cyprus, the patriots of your kind became ... Turks and shot the "kasandras", but this is what happens when serious political decisions are made by totally apolitical people, who like yourself, think that we can survive and do wonders in a hostile environemnt where we have more enemies than friends.

[Pyrpolizer]

The only person shaking (in his pants) at the moment, Kifeas, is Papadopoulos, in the face of the direct trade the Turkish Cypriot will soon enjoy....

Just look at your self pathetic creature... you say it with so much joy as if you came to climax.