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[ge0rg10]

can anyone recomend a book on the matter? (that is in english) thanks

[polis]

can anyone recomend a book on the matter? (that is in english) thanks

Sadly the only proper sources of information are in Greek.

[Jerry]

Seriously now Nikephoros take this from a NON LEFTIST:

Both the coup and the Invasion in Cyprus were staged and agreed between the Greek Junta-CIA-and Turkey to achieve double Enosis, i.e part of Cyprus to get annexed to Greece and part to Turkey.
What went wrong is that Turkey got more than what was agreed. Famagusta was not in any plan that's why until today it is kept vacant.

The thousands of GC soldiers who tried to fight in 1974 witnessed this treason to all its extend. All you have to do is speak with some of them. Mainland Greek officers even had maps with them showing exactly where the Turks would stop. Soldiers were denied ammunition, reservists were denied to even get guns, heavy weaponry tanks-artillery etc were ordered to hold their fire, critical post conquered by commandos with huge sacrifices were ordered to withdraw. St hilarion castle was captured 3 times do you know that? It was all treason my friend, within a weak every single soldier was abandoning his position and telling everybody "einai ola prodomena"/everything is treasoned.

I really urge you to talk with GC soldiers who did participate in 1974 war...

My cousin was in the NG in 1974. He was a reservist but went to his "barracks" with others when the invasion started to do his bit but was told to go home by officers and that everything would be OK. My father said they were cowards but it seems that some were not given the opportunity to resist the invasion.

It happened to EVERYBODY my friend. Whole warehouses full with guns and ammunition were kept locked, and placed guards there so nobody gets guns. Is this the situation of a country at war, I really wonder???

What a load of nonsense. Why don't you do yourself and the rest of us a favour, go to a library and try to read a few of the military history books that are out there describing the activities of the national guard during the war rather than coming to this list repeating these idiocies. You guys are just plain stupid.

I assume the "stupid" refers to me as well. I simply related what was told to me by my cousin, I have no reason to doubt him. I think the truth is that probably somewhere in the middle since there obviously was significant military opposition to the invasion. Some of the NG were armed and resisted, some were simply sent home. I do remember during the invasion of reading reports of quantities of heavy machine guns being found abandoned and unused by the Turks as they advanced and the reporter commenting that the outcome could have been diiferent if they had been used in the early stages of the landings.

You guys are so pathetic it's sickening. Your cousin is either a lier or you got his story wrong. The people who got turned away were the people who instead of appearing at their acutal unit thought it would be ok simply to visit their local barracks. So you had about 2.000 guys reporting at the Limassol unit barracks instead of their own units simply because it happened bo be closer to their house. These guys were turned away because the unit they reported to was already fully manned by it's own reservists. We have so much actual information as to what happened in the war of 1974, that if your cousin can tell you which unit he was supposed to report to, I will tell you where they fought while your cousin was hiding behind his wifes skirt. The funny thing is that all these lies are circulated by the cowards who didn't fight in the war.

I certainly did not get the story wrong. When you consider how many "irregulars" resisted the invasion I am amazed that every single GC who could hold a gun even if he reported to the "wrong barracks" was not given a rifle. My cousin was quite clear, they knew the weapons were in the armoury but the Greek officer told them that everything was OK and to go home. I think if you dared tell him to his face that he hid behind his wifes skirt he would demonstate to you how much of a coward he was.

[Nikephoros]

I can recommend: The Greek upheaval: Kings, demagogues and bayonets by Taki Theodoracopulos

It is an even account placing blame on all sides that deserve it. It debunks most of the leftist myths you hear that were constructed about what happened in 1974 to discredit the junta, place all the blame on the junta and raise the prestige of the post 74 governments in Athens and to raise the profile of the leftists in Cyprus. I wrote a lengthy review for Amazon.com.

In general finding good English language accounts are hard.

[Pyrpolizer]

The ONLY real account of what happened in Cyprus in 1974 is in the "Cyprus Records"/"fakellos tis Kyprou" in Greece. Has anybody wondered why this record was never made available publicly?

[Nikephoros]

BTW, Hantzos book is fine but I think that you also should have a look at Georgios Sergis' book "i Machi tis Kyprou, Ioulios - Augoustos 1974, I anatomia tis tragodias" and Skiadopoulos' "Polemos stin Kypro (Ioulios - Augoustos 1974)". The books give an almost complete account of the fighting that took place and a description of the actions of each unit.

Thanks for this info. I live in the USA and I cannot evaluate Greek books at all. All I can do is order them blind from online retailers like the one I linked to. Honestly, the reason I bought the Hantzou book I did was because it was cheaper than his other works. He wrote another book: "To 361 T.P. sthn maxh ths Kyproy" which was more expensive and I figure more detailed by the title name alone, but I cannot find it online for sale now.

Since I live in the USA to even get the book I had to pay 5.40 € and I bought it along with 3 other books totaling 26,24 €. The shipping alone was 17.20 € and the total 43.44 € and it took some 10 days to ship. In addition I lost the book after letting my grandmother read it and I had to rip apart her room for 2 hours to find it. If I can do all that to obtain, read and scan one book, you neoCypriot-traitor-mythmakers in Cyprus need to just dissolve your existence. The only reason you do not know such things is because you think history is like when old Greek women drink their coffee and then flip the cup to "read" it. You do not gossip with your family and friends and pass it off as history. This is not coffee time.

[cypezokyli]

its amazing that people still waste their time on reading military details !!!
as if the problem where the number of soldiers, and not the coup....nor the betrayal!!!

[Nikephoros]

Another person to join the Neocypriot running mouth club.

You think in running a very small newly independent country, that you can never secure proper diplomatic support from powerful nations. Instead go march around with the nobody countries of the Non Aligned Movement flirt with the Soviet Union, but never secure support from the USSR, then dismantle the only true military force on the island. Then you blame everything on the junta! Like the junta told you morons to sabotage your own military potency or to sabotage your own diplomatic avenues abroad with the only nations that matter.

It is clear the leftist march of the morons are the ruiners of Cyprus. You sloganer and gossip all over history, ignore all your responsibilites, concoct neo-Cypriot identities for yourselves to hide your past failures, pretend you are brothers with Turk Cypriots, then blame the junta. Get a conscience and a brain cell. Look to the mirror for who ruined and still ruins Cyprus.

[Pyrpolizer]

If I can do all that to obtain, read and scan one book, you neoCypriot-traitor-mythmakers in Cyprus need to just dissolve your existence. The only reason you do not know such things is because you think history is like when old Greek women drink their coffee and then flip the cup to "read" it. You do not gossip with your family and friends and pass it off as history. This is not coffee time.

Listen wise guy. This forum is called "the Cyprus problem and how can we solve it." If you have something to say which is relevant to this then say it.
Otherwise get lost from here. You can start by the question the TC members in here keep on asking us the stupid NeoCypriots as you call us: What would happen to the TCs if your lovely Junta succeeded in the coup and Turkey had not invaded?

Come on brave boy, the TCs in here are ready to rip you apart. Be brave and fight with them not with your own people (as your lovely Junta ancestors used to do )

[Nikephoros]

Mate look up a book sometime like was said. You are an embarrasment to yourself in every post you make. After the Turks invaded the NG hit every TC enclave and rounded them up into stadiums, (except the few largest enclaves) and other ad-hoc facilities. Keep thinking you are smart with your ignorance circus. There was no plan for genocide. If you ever look up a book you will maybe learn.

All you can do is spout women's talk.