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[Jerry]

Seriously now Nikephoros take this from a NON LEFTIST:

Both the coup and the Invasion in Cyprus were staged and agreed between the Greek Junta-CIA-and Turkey to achieve double Enosis, i.e part of Cyprus to get annexed to Greece and part to Turkey.
What went wrong is that Turkey got more than what was agreed. Famagusta was not in any plan that's why until today it is kept vacant.

The thousands of GC soldiers who tried to fight in 1974 witnessed this treason to all its extend. All you have to do is speak with some of them. Mainland Greek officers even had maps with them showing exactly where the Turks would stop. Soldiers were denied ammunition, reservists were denied to even get guns, heavy weaponry tanks-artillery etc were ordered to hold their fire, critical post conquered by commandos with huge sacrifices were ordered to withdraw. St hilarion castle was captured 3 times do you know that? It was all treason my friend, within a weak every single soldier was abandoning his position and telling everybody "einai ola prodomena"/everything is treasoned.

I really urge you to talk with GC soldiers who did participate in 1974 war...

My cousin was in the NG in 1974. He was a reservist but went to his "barracks" with others when the invasion started to do his bit but was told to go home by officers and that everything would be OK. My father said they were cowards but it seems that some were not given the opportunity to resist the invasion.

It happened to EVERYBODY my friend. Whole warehouses full with guns and ammunition were kept locked, and placed guards there so nobody gets guns. Is this the situation of a country at war, I really wonder???

What a load of nonsense. Why don't you do yourself and the rest of us a favour, go to a library and try to read a few of the military history books that are out there describing the activities of the national guard during the war rather than coming to this list repeating these idiocies. You guys are just plain stupid.

I assume the "stupid" refers to me as well. I simply related what was told to me by my cousin, I have no reason to doubt him. I think the truth is that probably somewhere in the middle since there obviously was significant military opposition to the invasion. Some of the NG were armed and resisted, some were simply sent home. I do remember during the invasion of reading reports of quantities of heavy machine guns being found abandoned and unused by the Turks as they advanced and the reporter commenting that the outcome could have been diiferent if they had been used in the early stages of the landings.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas you are immature beyond belief. Look at what you say:

"I was in his place, I would have simply secretly doubled the size of the presidential guard and I would then have sent them in one single night’s raid into the camps of the NG to arrest all those officers (at least the top 10,) pack them in boxes, load them on a boat and ship them back to Greece; and then immediately substitute the NG's leadership with whatever law abiding Cypriot officers were available!"

Well even after the invasion Makarios never did that. To this day the National Guard is mainly officered by mainland Greek staff. Do you wonder why?

You need to grow up and look at the historical record instead of spreading gossip and passing it as history.

Nikephoros, do not dispute my maturity, because it only proves your immaturity, audacity and foolishness; at least as far as this forum is concerned! Of course I was only talking about those mainland Greek officers of those days, that were sent by your fascist protégés to be in charge of the National Guard then! Of course I was not talking about the Greek officers staffing the national guard today (after 1974,) because they are not the same people, their mission cannot be the same as that of those fools and their masters that you so much admire, and Greece is not a Junta anymore but is governed by democratic and competent governments that do not aspire to overthrow the elected RoC presidents just because they do not obey their directives!

You are a jock my friend, and it is a tragedy that there are still people in this country and /or in Greece that think in your way!

[Get Real!]

..and Greece is not a Junta anymore but is governed by democratic and competent governments...

Hmm, I wonder what Greece is competent at. Balancing her books or looking after her Aegean rocks?

[Nikephoros]

Every neocypriot in this forum shows their maturity well enough without me. Responding to a serious written account of what happened with the worst kinds of coffeshop talk and conjecture.

[Kifeas]

Every neocypriot in this forum shows their maturity well enough without me. Responding to a serious written account of what happened with the worst kinds of coffeshop talk and conjecture.

Nikephoros and his likes think they are proud Greeks and "ethnico(a)frones!" Well Nikiforaki, not only you (and your likes) are not pound Greeks, not only you (and your likes) are not Greeks at all, but in fact you and your likes are the most anti-Greek people in this country! For, a Greek (a descendant of the people that invented and defined democracy,) cannot possibly be a sympathiser, an apologiser and a supporter of fascist military regimes and acts, like the one that put Greece in absolute shame for 7 years and Cyprus in such an adverse situation since 1974; regimes that usurp power with undemocratic means and military force!

Yes Nikeforaki, this is the bitter truth about you and your likes! You are not Greeks …for Greeks cannot be fascists! They can only be the sons (the brain children) of Pericles, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides; but cannot possibly be the sons of the Achaemenides, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, Metaxas, Sampson, Grivas and Ioannidis! You are not compatible with anything Greek!

Nevertheless, why don't you at last tell us your version of "written account of what happened," and the point you wish to make?

[Get Real!]

Every neocypriot in this forum shows their maturity well enough without me. Responding to a serious written account of what happened with the worst kinds of coffeshop talk and conjecture.

At your request here's my on-topic response to your thread:

I pity my foolish compatriots who saw something where there was nothing. The crux of their great miscalculation was not the Turkish invasion but the fools they dreamed of uniting with.

[polis]

Would you rather I have posted a Makarios harangue against the National Guard and ELDYK? And then blame Greece and the junta when the Turks come? Sorry.

Nikephoros, all the above that you posted from Haniotaki's book, are all well known and well understandable, provided that the GC National Guard, at the time and under the then leadership and officers, was indeed a force dedicated to what Haniotakis claims, i.e. the defence of the RoC and the protection of the GC community from a possible Turkish attack. The truth however is unfortunately very different. The National Guard has become, under those officers and with Junta in Athens, from a guardian of the RoC into an underminer of the country, of its independence and an underminer of its elected leadership. The GC NG, instead of remaining focused and concentrated in how to best defend the country from the Turkish threat, i.e. the reason for which it was established in the first place, it started getting involved into politics, it started promoting anti-Makarios (the democratically elected president) propaganda among the troops and the public, it started plotting coup scenarios against the political leadership (as if Cyprus was Turkey or any other fascist country in which the Army is assumed to have the right to overthrow democratically elected governments,) and it also started secretly and illegally distributing weapons and ammunition to the Eoka B' thugs.

Under these circumstances, the purpose of maintaining such an army became meaningless, since instead of being focused on the enemy; it was focus and engaged in activities against the people and the country. This was proved in 1974, when those officers staffing the NG proved themselves totally incompetent in properly defending Cyprus from a Turkish invasion, as they have not been able to do one single thing correctly, out of all those plans that were designed for the purpose of repelling a Turkish invasion. Every mission they (officers) undertook in 1974, it was a failure. To this end, Makarios wish and will to reduce it's size is perfectly understandable under these circumstances, as it was proved that with or without a National Guard (under that leadership,) the end result would have been the same, in case of Turkish invasion.

Now, you come here and, with the shamelessness of 1000 monkeys put together, you try to become the apologiser of those idiots (and traitors) for all that they have done against the people of Cyprus. Get lost!

When will you learn only to post something when you know what you are talking about. Makarios decided to reduce the size of the national guard (by reducing the length of military service) at a time when EOKA B' was practically destroyed. Almost 35 years on and you still feel obliged to defend the decisions of these idiots?

Polis, Makarios decided to reduce the size of the National Guard only when information and evidence that it was plotting a coup against him and his government - something that even the biggest fool in Cyprus (but apparently not you) knew would have been followed by a Turkish invasion (as it in fact happened;) became so concrete that even himself was convinced for its (coup’s) eventuality. As if you did not read the letter he (Makarios) had sent to Gizikis, only a week before the coup, and in which he explains with every detail his views and thoughts on the situation. The fact that Junta and the officers in charge of the National Guard were indeed plotting a coup against the elected president of the country is proved beyond doubt by the fact that within a week once they received his letter, they carried out what they had already being planning. If it wasn’t the case, they wouldn't have been able to plan, organise and execute such a thing within a week’s notice; in the same way that Turkey was planning an invasion way before the 15th of July, and was just waiting for the right excuse.

I told you before, idiot. Want to know what happened go read a book - a real one. Even with your own limited intelligence you will be able to sass it out in the end.

[Kifeas]

I told you before, idiot. Want to know what happened go read a book - a real one. Even with your own limited intelligence you will be able to sass it out in the end.

Aei gamisou ...son of a prostitute!

[polis]

Seriously now Nikephoros take this from a NON LEFTIST:

Both the coup and the Invasion in Cyprus were staged and agreed between the Greek Junta-CIA-and Turkey to achieve double Enosis, i.e part of Cyprus to get annexed to Greece and part to Turkey.
What went wrong is that Turkey got more than what was agreed. Famagusta was not in any plan that's why until today it is kept vacant.

The thousands of GC soldiers who tried to fight in 1974 witnessed this treason to all its extend. All you have to do is speak with some of them. Mainland Greek officers even had maps with them showing exactly where the Turks would stop. Soldiers were denied ammunition, reservists were denied to even get guns, heavy weaponry tanks-artillery etc were ordered to hold their fire, critical post conquered by commandos with huge sacrifices were ordered to withdraw. St hilarion castle was captured 3 times do you know that? It was all treason my friend, within a weak every single soldier was abandoning his position and telling everybody "einai ola prodomena"/everything is treasoned.

I really urge you to talk with GC soldiers who did participate in 1974 war...

My cousin was in the NG in 1974. He was a reservist but went to his "barracks" with others when the invasion started to do his bit but was told to go home by officers and that everything would be OK. My father said they were cowards but it seems that some were not given the opportunity to resist the invasion.

It happened to EVERYBODY my friend. Whole warehouses full with guns and ammunition were kept locked, and placed guards there so nobody gets guns. Is this the situation of a country at war, I really wonder???

What a load of nonsense. Why don't you do yourself and the rest of us a favour, go to a library and try to read a few of the military history books that are out there describing the activities of the national guard during the war rather than coming to this list repeating these idiocies. You guys are just plain stupid.

I assume the "stupid" refers to me as well. I simply related what was told to me by my cousin, I have no reason to doubt him. I think the truth is that probably somewhere in the middle since there obviously was significant military opposition to the invasion. Some of the NG were armed and resisted, some were simply sent home. I do remember during the invasion of reading reports of quantities of heavy machine guns being found abandoned and unused by the Turks as they advanced and the reporter commenting that the outcome could have been diiferent if they had been used in the early stages of the landings.

You guys are so pathetic it's sickening. Your cousin is either a lier or you got his story wrong. The people who got turned away were the people who instead of appearing at their acutal unit thought it would be ok simply to visit their local barracks. So you had about 2.000 guys reporting at the Limassol unit barracks instead of their own units simply because it happened bo be closer to their house. These guys were turned away because the unit they reported to was already fully manned by it's own reservists. We have so much actual information as to what happened in the war of 1974, that if your cousin can tell you which unit he was supposed to report to, I will tell you where they fought while your cousin was hiding behind his wifes skirt. The funny thing is that all these lies are circulated by the cowards who didn't fight in the war.

[polis]

Polis, I am amazed a Greek Cypriot is having your views. Because the sad truth is Demeterios Hantzou and others that were actually participating in the events and went on to write books; their accounts are read by comparatively few Greeks. But the myths are being believed by too many.

They believe it because the want to believe it. You've heard of the history written by the victors, this is the history written by the cowards. These are the same guys who were claiming that hundreds of people were murdered by the coupists during the coup and their statements are still being used by the Turks in order to prevent a proper investigation into the fate of the missing.

BTW, Hantzos book is fine but I think that you also should have a look at Georgios Sergis' book "i Machi tis Kyprou, Ioulios - Augoustos 1974, I anatomia tis tragodias" and Skiadopoulos' "Polemos stin Kypro (Ioulios - Augoustos 1974)". The books give an almost complete account of the fighting that took place and a description of the actions of each unit.