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Reducing Cypriot National Guard Historic Betrayal

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Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:50 pm

iceman wrote:
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There were even wise officers in the Army asking you trivial questions e.g if you are in war and the enemy in front of you is a Turk or a Communist who would you kill? I remember I once said the Communist they beat me up because they said I was a Turkophile. The next time I said the Turk, they beated me up again because they said I was a Communist. The third time I kept my mouth shut, they beated me again to see if I had voice..

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In Turkish we have a popular saying which roughly translates into...Military service begins where logic ends...I see this rule applies to your National Guard as well.. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Ha,ha,ha can't believe it man. Exactly the same saying in Greek :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:04 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:Seriously now Nikephoros take this from a NON LEFTIST:

Both the coup and the Invasion in Cyprus were staged and agreed between the Greek Junta-CIA-and Turkey to achieve double Enosis, i.e part of Cyprus to get annexed to Greece and part to Turkey.
What went wrong is that Turkey got more than what was agreed. Famagusta was not in any plan that's why until today it is kept vacant.

The thousands of GC soldiers who tried to fight in 1974 witnessed this treason to all its extend. All you have to do is speak with some of them. Mainland Greek officers even had maps with them showing exactly where the Turks would stop. Soldiers were denied ammunition, reservists were denied to even get guns, heavy weaponry tanks-artillery etc were ordered to hold their fire, critical post conquered by commandos with huge sacrifices were ordered to withdraw. St hilarion castle was captured 3 times do you know that? It was all treason my friend, within a weak every single soldier was abandoning his position and telling everybody "einai ola prodomena"/everything is treasoned.

I really urge you to talk with GC soldiers who did participate in 1974 war...

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My cousin was in the NG in 1974. He was a reservist but went to his "barracks" with others when the invasion started to do his bit but was told to go home by officers and that everything would be OK. My father said they were cowards but it seems that some were not given the opportunity to resist the invasion.


It happened to EVERYBODY my friend. Whole warehouses full with guns and ammunition were kept locked, and placed guards there so nobody gets guns. Is this the situation of a country at war, I really wonder???

Klerides later said this was done because the Turks would advance as far as required as long as they faced resistence. So according to Klerides the Turks would stop only if there was no resistence!!!

The question is:
HOW DID HE KNOW THAT????
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Postby polis » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:57 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Seriously now Nikephoros take this from a NON LEFTIST:

Both the coup and the Invasion in Cyprus were staged and agreed between the Greek Junta-CIA-and Turkey to achieve double Enosis, i.e part of Cyprus to get annexed to Greece and part to Turkey.
What went wrong is that Turkey got more than what was agreed. Famagusta was not in any plan that's why until today it is kept vacant.

The thousands of GC soldiers who tried to fight in 1974 witnessed this treason to all its extend. All you have to do is speak with some of them. Mainland Greek officers even had maps with them showing exactly where the Turks would stop. Soldiers were denied ammunition, reservists were denied to even get guns, heavy weaponry tanks-artillery etc were ordered to hold their fire, critical post conquered by commandos with huge sacrifices were ordered to withdraw. St hilarion castle was captured 3 times do you know that? It was all treason my friend, within a weak every single soldier was abandoning his position and telling everybody "einai ola prodomena"/everything is treasoned.

I really urge you to talk with GC soldiers who did participate in 1974 war...

:cry: :cry: :cry:


My cousin was in the NG in 1974. He was a reservist but went to his "barracks" with others when the invasion started to do his bit but was told to go home by officers and that everything would be OK. My father said they were cowards but it seems that some were not given the opportunity to resist the invasion.


It happened to EVERYBODY my friend. Whole warehouses full with guns and ammunition were kept locked, and placed guards there so nobody gets guns. Is this the situation of a country at war, I really wonder???


What a load of nonsense. Why don't you do yourself and the rest of us a favour, go to a library and try to read a few of the military history books that are out there describing the activities of the national guard during the war rather than coming to this list repeating these idiocies. You guys are just plain stupid.
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Postby polis » Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:01 am

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Nikephoros wrote:Would you rather I have posted a Makarios harangue against the National Guard and ELDYK? And then blame Greece and the junta when the Turks come? Sorry.


Nikephoros, all the above that you posted from Haniotaki's book, are all well known and well understandable, provided that the GC National Guard, at the time and under the then leadership and officers, was indeed a force dedicated to what Haniotakis claims, i.e. the defence of the RoC and the protection of the GC community from a possible Turkish attack. The truth however is unfortunately very different. The National Guard has become, under those officers and with Junta in Athens, from a guardian of the RoC into an underminer of the country, of its independence and an underminer of its elected leadership. The GC NG, instead of remaining focused and concentrated in how to best defend the country from the Turkish threat, i.e. the reason for which it was established in the first place, it started getting involved into politics, it started promoting anti-Makarios (the democratically elected president) propaganda among the troops and the public, it started plotting coup scenarios against the political leadership (as if Cyprus was Turkey or any other fascist country in which the Army is assumed to have the right to overthrow democratically elected governments,) and it also started secretly and illegally distributing weapons and ammunition to the Eoka B' thugs.

Under these circumstances, the purpose of maintaining such an army became meaningless, since instead of being focused on the enemy; it was focus and engaged in activities against the people and the country. This was proved in 1974, when those officers staffing the NG proved themselves totally incompetent in properly defending Cyprus from a Turkish invasion, as they have not been able to do one single thing correctly, out of all those plans that were designed for the purpose of repelling a Turkish invasion. Every mission they (officers) undertook in 1974, it was a failure. To this end, Makarios wish and will to reduce it's size is perfectly understandable under these circumstances, as it was proved that with or without a National Guard (under that leadership,) the end result would have been the same, in case of Turkish invasion.

Now, you come here and, with the shamelessness of 1000 monkeys put together, you try to become the apologiser of those idiots (and traitors) for all that they have done against the people of Cyprus. Get lost!


When will you learn only to post something when you know what you are talking about. Makarios decided to reduce the size of the national guard (by reducing the length of military service) at a time when EOKA B' was practically destroyed. Almost 35 years on and you still feel obliged to defend the decisions of these idiots?
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Postby Nikephoros » Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:07 am

Polis, I am amazed a Greek Cypriot is having your views. Because the sad truth is Demeterios Hantzou and others that were actually participating in the events and went on to write books; their accounts are read by comparatively few Greeks. But the myths are being believed by too many.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:31 am

polis wrote:
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Nikephoros wrote:Would you rather I have posted a Makarios harangue against the National Guard and ELDYK? And then blame Greece and the junta when the Turks come? Sorry.


Nikephoros, all the above that you posted from Haniotaki's book, are all well known and well understandable, provided that the GC National Guard, at the time and under the then leadership and officers, was indeed a force dedicated to what Haniotakis claims, i.e. the defence of the RoC and the protection of the GC community from a possible Turkish attack. The truth however is unfortunately very different. The National Guard has become, under those officers and with Junta in Athens, from a guardian of the RoC into an underminer of the country, of its independence and an underminer of its elected leadership. The GC NG, instead of remaining focused and concentrated in how to best defend the country from the Turkish threat, i.e. the reason for which it was established in the first place, it started getting involved into politics, it started promoting anti-Makarios (the democratically elected president) propaganda among the troops and the public, it started plotting coup scenarios against the political leadership (as if Cyprus was Turkey or any other fascist country in which the Army is assumed to have the right to overthrow democratically elected governments,) and it also started secretly and illegally distributing weapons and ammunition to the Eoka B' thugs.

Under these circumstances, the purpose of maintaining such an army became meaningless, since instead of being focused on the enemy; it was focus and engaged in activities against the people and the country. This was proved in 1974, when those officers staffing the NG proved themselves totally incompetent in properly defending Cyprus from a Turkish invasion, as they have not been able to do one single thing correctly, out of all those plans that were designed for the purpose of repelling a Turkish invasion. Every mission they (officers) undertook in 1974, it was a failure. To this end, Makarios wish and will to reduce it's size is perfectly understandable under these circumstances, as it was proved that with or without a National Guard (under that leadership,) the end result would have been the same, in case of Turkish invasion.

Now, you come here and, with the shamelessness of 1000 monkeys put together, you try to become the apologiser of those idiots (and traitors) for all that they have done against the people of Cyprus. Get lost!


When will you learn only to post something when you know what you are talking about. Makarios decided to reduce the size of the national guard (by reducing the length of military service) at a time when EOKA B' was practically destroyed. Almost 35 years on and you still feel obliged to defend the decisions of these idiots?


Polis, Makarios decided to reduce the size of the National Guard only when information and evidence that it was plotting a coup against him and his government - something that even the biggest fool in Cyprus (but apparently not you) knew would have been followed by a Turkish invasion (as it in fact happened;) became so concrete that even himself was convinced for its (coup’s) eventuality. As if you did not read the letter he (Makarios) had sent to Gizikis, only a week before the coup, and in which he explains with every detail his views and thoughts on the situation. The fact that Junta and the officers in charge of the National Guard were indeed plotting a coup against the elected president of the country is proved beyond doubt by the fact that within a week once they received his letter, they carried out what they had already being planning. If it wasn’t the case, they wouldn't have been able to plan, organise and execute such a thing within a week’s notice; in the same way that Turkey was planning an invasion way before the 15th of July, and was just waiting for the right excuse.

He had every bloody right to take such a decision, because he was the elected president of the country! It is amazing that even after all that has happened in this country as a result of that illegal, illegitimate and immoral decision of the Junta and the officers in charge of the NG, there are people of yours and Nikeforos kind that have the audacity to try and justify the coup and even blame Makarios for it. Yes Makarios did a mistake! He should have never sent that letter to Gizikkis! If I was in his place, I would have simply secretly doubled the size of the presidential guard and I would then have sent them in one single night’s raid into the camps of the NG to arrest all those officers (at least the top 10,) pack them in boxes, load them on a boat and ship them back to Greece; and then immediately substitute the NG's leadership with whatever law abiding Cypriot officers were available! In any case they would have done a better job, in case of a Turkish invasion, than what those traitors would and in fact did!
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Postby miltiades » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:09 am

Nikephoros wrote:Would you rather I have posted a Makarios harangue against the National Guard and ELDYK? And then blame Greece and the junta when the Turks come? Sorry.


So YOU dont blame the junta for all of our problems ??
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Postby Nikephoros » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:12 am

Alot of you need to get some responsiblity, some realism. And then go to a library or bookstore.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:51 am

Nikephoros wrote:Alot of you need to get some responsiblity, some realism. And then go to a library or bookstore.


Nikephoros, at last, what is the point you are trying to make with all of your posts?
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Postby Nikephoros » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:57 am

Kifeas you are immature beyond belief. Look at what you say:

"I was in his place, I would have simply secretly doubled the size of the presidential guard and I would then have sent them in one single night’s raid into the camps of the NG to arrest all those officers (at least the top 10,) pack them in boxes, load them on a boat and ship them back to Greece; and then immediately substitute the NG's leadership with whatever law abiding Cypriot officers were available!"

Well even after the invasion Makarios never did that. To this day the National Guard is mainly officered by mainland Greek staff. Do you wonder why?

You need to grow up and look at the historical record instead of spreading gossip and passing it as history.
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