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[shahmaran]

To be honest Mr Miltiades, i actually DO LIVE in the TRNC and i do not feel any of these so called "strangulations", how do you happen to feel them from London, could you please explain me that?

[askimwos]

You might don't feel that strangulation now shah but the time you will feel it as many TCs already do is getting closer and closer. You will very soon realise yourself that the close embracing from Turkey you now feel is not exactly a fatherly hug.

Soyer found out the hard way that he is nothing more than a puppet when the commander of the occupying forces humiliated him in public and along with him the whole TC community who voted for him.

[miltiades]

To be honest Mr Miltiades, i actually DO LIVE in the TRNC and i do not feel any of these so called "strangulations", how do you happen to feel them from London, could you please explain me that?

I have covered this subject many times . Will you please understand that I see a minimum of 10 T/Cs a day 6 days a week . The nature of my business is such that I interact daily with Turkish Cypriots. Most know me by name , they also know that I'm a Cypriot and consider Cyprus to be their home just as much as it is mine . Occasionally with new comers questions are asked if I'm a Greek or a Turk . My standard answer is Cypriot mate but yes a Greek Cypriot .Unlike some I do not use the word Greek or Turkish speaking , since in the UK there are English , Scottish , Welsh etc etc but Britons also.
I know more T/Cs than you do , and I stand by this 100% . I have only come across one individual with similar views to VP , Zan OR INDEED YOURSELF.This individual has now retired in Kyrenia and having known him from the 60s we are still mates I m pleased to say.Most , if not all , put the blame squarely on the fanatics and political leaders from both sides .You try this approach too , open your heart to your own people , the Cypriots , irrespective of ethnicity background , and you will realize how dreadfully similar we are. Look at Birkibrisly and Kikapou , are they traitors , no Sir , they have seen , just as I have , the light , and just as I do they want all of Cyprus to be their nation not a part of it but all of it.

[shahmaran]

Well miltiades, im sorry if i cannot become "enlightened" by living OUTSIDE of Cyprus like yourself, Kikapu and Bir, however for the people actually IN Cyprus the situation is obviously different, including your buddy in Kyrenia.

So don't you ever wonder why this is the case?

Why do people who actually LIVE in Cyprus have an entirely different opinion? And please don't talk about how many TCs you interact with or know, as interesting as it might be it certainly cannot compare with living on the island, when your family, friends, neighbours, and EVERYONE you interact with on a daily basis is TC, and i tell you i have not met anyone who share the views of you 3 in the way you do, i personally do like them just don't find them that immediately feasible, more like an ideal solution that is very unlikely...

[Pyrpolizer]

Shah sorry I also live here and I find it very strange for you to say "you have not met anyone who shares the views of thoose 3".
You say you live in Lefka right? Man I know someone very near to your village, who I tell you compared to those 3 (Miltiades, Kikapu and Birkibrisli) he is 10 fold that Cypriot. I also know others in other areas.

Similarly I met some TCs who tell me very honestly "No my friend forget it. You take my property there, I keep this property here, you live there, us live here, we can never live together"
Surely I don't know what the majority of TCs think, most of the ordinary people just say the want a "solution", if you press them more they may say "I support the Anan Plan".


@Miltiades.

Being "a Cypriot" for me is not enough my friend. Have you asked those TC friends of yours in the UK what kind of solution do they exactly want? Big words that Cypriots are good people and it's all the fault of those in power are not realistic. Ask them for example how would they like to live together in a Unitary state and return to 1960 agreements.

Let's face it Federation means some kind of division, it will take at least 50 years for the society and the people to really mix up and come close to what they were before. In a federation every GC will have to deal by 95% of his life with GCs, and every TC by 95% of his life with TCs. You will not find orphanages with Assos and Miltiades anymore

[shahmaran]

So great Pyr, you know 1 man who does, and a couple of "other" ones in that area, i bet i can find 10 for each one you find, where does that take us?

The point is, no one wants to have to rely on the GCs, because it had very bad results in the past, that's what the general opinion i can safely say i get, so for anything within that frame you can use your imagination i guess...

[Pyrpolizer]

So great Pyr, you know 1 man who does, and a couple of "other" ones in that area, i bet i can find 10 for each one you find, where does that take us?

The point is, no one wants to have to rely on the GCs, because it had very bad results in the past, that's what the general opinion i can safely say i get, so for anything within that frame you can use your imagination i guess...

Shah you were very hasty in your reply. The total number of Tcs that I know that are 10 fold that of "those 3" is only 6 persons. But then you never asked how many TCs I know really well. It is about 30. That's why I said I found your previous statement very strange.

For your information the one who lives close to your village had an uncle who was shot dead in the 60s. I asked him straight, do you think the GCs killed him? He told me "I don't think" I know who killed him and why. It was a crime of passion and the killer was a TC.However that person is included in the list of TC "martyrs".

And this next statement "no one wants to rely on GCs" is again total nonsense. You could have said the majority but not no-one.