lupusdiavoli wrote:Kifeas,
I made reference to several issues. You give emphasis to the issue of human rights. This is your perception for obvious reasons. We can extensively discuss the issue. What u don’ t take into account is that “human rights” solely cannot offer too much. They are an instrument when u r able to enforce them. Otherwise they are simply a resort of the weak side.
No lupusdiavoli, massive and continuing violation of human rights by Turkey in Cyprus is neither my mere perception –it is a proved and undisputed fact; not it is the only factor on which I give emphasis on. Besides the verified and undisputed massive violation of Greek Cypriot’s human right, there is an issue of blatant violation of international law by Turkey due to its illegal invasion and illegal occupation of 1/3 of a sovereign UN member country. Whether human rights is a resort of the weak or not, it is irrelevant, and I do not understand what your argument is all about!
lupusdiavoli wrote: I perceive Cyprus issue to be a politic one.
You perceive Cyprus issue to be a political one? Really??
Perceive it as much as you wish! The truth of the matter is that the Cyprus issue, in its current form and shape, and since 1974, is not primarily a political but a legal one! It is one of massive violation of human rights (a fact –theft and massive usurpation of homes, properties, historical, religious and cultural sites, and ethnic cleansing of almost the entire indigenous population of occupied north Cyprus,) and a violation of the UN Charter and international law (again a fact –illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign UN member nation-state!) It is a political one to the extent that there is a need for an agreement between the GC and TC communities for a internal constitutional revision or re-drafting to regulate, control and govern the internal political life of the country, but this is just about it! Turkey has absolutely no business and no right in occupying 1/3 of Cyprus and keeping the properties and part of the country of the GCs a hostage and under occupation! That where the Cyprus problem becomes primarily a legal issue! I suggest you learn your facts better, although being a Turkish sympathiser I suspect you will come back with the usual ridiculous and largely fictional, nevertheless irrelevant, arguments and claims regarding the 1963-1974 period, and how the GCs where “chasing, vandalising, torturing, raping, massacring and annihilating” the TCs!
lupusdiavoli wrote: Political problems of this sort are not to be solved on the basis of human rights and the relevant literature.
Really?
And what sort of political problem is the Cyprus one that cannot (also) be solved on the basis of human rights and international legality? And if so, why don’t all the UN resolutions so far take your theories (read sophistries) and your approach into consideration, not to take into account human rights and international law?
lupusdiavoli wrote: As an element, by this I am answering your second query, they do consist source of some pressure but not decisive one for Turkey.
And your point is? Just because Turkey has absolutely no regard for international legality and human rights, including those of her own people; and just because for the west and the Anglo-Americans Turkey is still (I hope not for too long) a valuable “ally,” and because we as a small country do not have the option to declare a war on her and evict her from Cyprus in the same way that she illegally came and stationed herslef here; it means that we should give up, surrender our cause and capitulate? Is this what you are trying so reluctantly to tell us all this time? To please whom? The Anglo-Americans and their interests that dictate that the Cyprus issue should be wrapt up and closed, so that it gets out of Turkey’s EU pathway? Or to vindicate Turkey’s act of aggression, theft and ethnic cleansing against a small country? Do not worry! I am not going to question your morals, as I am sure such a word doesn’t to exist in your dictionary!
It could be a decisive weapon if for example France or Germany like to stop once and for all Turkey to enter EU. But this would be the make-up of their political decision based on other considerations and not their agony for human rights. Europeans have the tendency to remember human rights when it suits their interests.
lupusdiavoli wrote: What will you gain? Well, the decision making process has to take into account the surrounding elements such as time, geopolitical position, balance of power, the defeat of 1974 and reach a conclusion whether being the weak side it is of his interest to make compromises. The benefit will be some sort of a “solution” while there is still time. The opposite proposal would be to wait for the never to come day when human rights will be enforced automatically.
Lupusdiavoli, there was no defeat in 1974! In 1974 there was only an illegal invasion by a country with a population 100 times large than ours, on the basis of some self-made loose excuses and pre-texts, and an ethnic cleansing, theft and a looting, and since then an illegal occupation. We did not declare a war against anyone to have to had lost one, set aside one against Turkey! If there is one to have lost a war in 1974, this is no one else other than Turkey, for its objective to legitimise and legalise its aggression and theft through our capitulation and signature, did not materialise! We did not capitulate right after 1974, and did not sign off the north to Turkey via the TC puppet leadership, when all of us were just made refugees and used to live in tents or under trees, and we do not plan to capitulate now that we have become an EU member state with a veto right, while Turkey is still struggling to legalise its attempted theft and Turkification of 1/3 of our country and also struggling herself to become an EU member. The loser is Turkey, and not us! We can wait as long as it takes, like our ancestors waited and endured the Turkish yolk for 300 years, during the Ottomans.
We are prepared to make an alliance with the devil itself, if this is what it takes, but we will not make such a favour to Turkey to accept our ethnic cleansing from 1/3 of our historical homeland as a fait accompli of her megalomaniac illusions of grandeur, via Annan plan solution types.