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[pitsilos]

Piratis- you are the moderator of this forum. I know we do not agree on many issues and engage in heated debates however I have always argued with you within the frame of respect, and never cussed at you or to your country or to your people for once. I am a TC who is a guest on your forum out of respect to your opposing views with the belief that we can talk them out. However, this recent post by the individual under the nickname Pyrpolizer is most definitely outside of any ethical and moral boundaries that shows intolerable hatred and racism to not an individual but to a whole race.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ht=#155645

I am asking you as a guest of this forum and a friend of your`s to have this post removed. I also strongly protest this individual and ask that he apolagizes for his immature and hateful act. I don`t know any but if there were similar ones posted by Turks in the past I protest them even stronger and ask that their posts be removed aswell. Thank you.

I have to agree with the request of muratanga to have the insulting image removed , bearing in mind that a very large number of our Cypriot compatriots will find this offensive. Many of my friends , even people like Kikapu or Bir will no doubt see this as provocatively insulting to T/Cs.
I also agree that when any member uses vulgarity beyond the bounds of what is acceptable and what is not as in the case of Ottoman then all reasonable civilized members will condemn , as Muratanga has done in his post , although he fails to mention the most disgusting of them all , those of Ottoman.

only if you insulted their turkishness, but our compatriots as you stated are cypriots and not turks form turkey. the flag is the turkish flag the same flag that occupies and ethnically cleansed the cypriot population.

[Murataga]

I am a moderator in the Classifieds and Tourism sections only. You have to send your request to Lana. Here I am expressing my opinion like a regular member like you.

And my opinion is that respect is indeed what not only is required, but what we are obligated to give to everybody, even total strangers. However "respect" is not just about using polite words. Respect is most of all respectful actions and behavior.

What would you find most disrespectful: Somebody swearing at you, or somebody supporting and helping the violations of your basic human and legal rights?

By you supporting that I and 100s of thousands of other innocent people should have our human and legal rights violated and our land stolen because we belong to a specific race is a disrespect of the highest degree and way more racist than anything else in the forum.

So my request to you and to everybody else is to stop looking in the past for excuses and to start showing respect. Without respect there can not be trust, and without trust there can not be friendship. Without respect is certain that the circle of blood will continue and all Cypriots will be the losers.

Piratis- I asked you as a friend for a gesture and you went about polticizing this unfortunate event. You believe that we are in violation of your human rights, however I believe much more strongly with ample proof that you are in our`s and have been so for every single day of the past 32 years. That is why we debate here on this forum, that is why I am here. However, what is done by this disturbed individual here is beyond that. If you are upset with someone you take it up with him/her and not a whole race. Anyway, I did not start this thread to engage into a political discussion and refuse to answer any more posts. I hope the moderator of this forum will take action towards my request at his/her earliest convenience.

Pyrpolizer- Ottoman cussed at you and I protested him. You cuss at everyone opposing your views in almost half of your posts. Furthermore, if you read my initial post on this thread I demanded the same action be taken upon any Turk that has chosen your preverted method. Your particular post is far beyond tolerable. I demand an apology.

[pitsilos]

and how your rights have been violated, by getting a couple of free properties while the true owners ain't allowed to claim their ancestral lands?
yeah right.

ps1.i am in the market for a couple of free properties, any idea on how i can obtain some mutaga?

ps2. you whole post is insulting to every one that lost their ancestral lands.

you should immediately apologise for your above insensitivy post.

[Piratis]

Piratis- I asked you as a friend for a gesture and you went about polticizing this unfortunate event

I explained to you that what you asked me is beyond my "jurisdiction" so I simply gave my opinion regarding the more general issue of respect.

You believe that we are in violation of your human rights, however I believe much more strongly with ample proof that you are in our`s and have been so for every single day of the past 32 years.

Murataga, 32 years ago (almost 33 already) Turkey invaded Cyprus and since then it ILLEGALY occupies Cyprus. This is not about opinions. This is a fact. Republic of Cyprus is a UN member and by international law it is crystal clear that the Turkish occupation is illegal, as is the so called "trnc".

If any of your rights are restricted this is due to the illegality enforced by the Turkish occupation.

What I said many times is that everybody should get the 100% of their legal and human rights. So you get your 100% of your legal and human rights and I get the 100% of mine. Unfortunately you seem to object to this and you insist that my human and legal rights should be violated and my land stolen. Isn't this disrespectful towards me?

[joderv1]

Hi all,

Sorry I just need to get something clear in my mind. Firstly I am not Cypriot, but married to TC.

I keep hearing in the forum that the Turkish invaded Cyprus and the GC's lost their land etc. However, my husbands family also lost their land in the South.

We visited his families village and went to his grandmothers house and found that a road had been built through the shop part of the property. Is it not right then that the TC's also lost their land in the war.

I have also heard that TC's were being persecuted at the time of the 'Turkish Invasion'. So it would appear that these Cypriot's were being saved.

I have spoken to a lot of TC's and I don't think they want assistance from Turkey any longer, however because they have been isolated by the world they do need this help.

I don't agree with the post in question and I can see why it would cause offense.

Jo

[miltiades]

Piratis- you are the moderator of this forum. I know we do not agree on many issues and engage in heated debates however I have always argued with you within the frame of respect, and never cussed at you or to your country or to your people for once. I am a TC who is a guest on your forum out of respect to your opposing views with the belief that we can talk them out. However, this recent post by the individual under the nickname Pyrpolizer is most definitely outside of any ethical and moral boundaries that shows intolerable hatred and racism to not an individual but to a whole race.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ht=#155645

I am asking you as a guest of this forum and a friend of your`s to have this post removed. I also strongly protest this individual and ask that he apolagizes for his immature and hateful act. I don`t know any but if there were similar ones posted by Turks in the past I protest them even stronger and ask that their posts be removed aswell. Thank you.

I have to agree with the request of muratanga to have the insulting image removed , bearing in mind that a very large number of our Cypriot compatriots will find this offensive. Many of my friends , even people like Kikapu or Bir will no doubt see this as provocatively insulting to T/Cs.
I also agree that when any member uses vulgarity beyond the bounds of what is acceptable and what is not as in the case of Ottoman then all reasonable civilized members will condemn , as Muratanga has done in his post , although he fails to mention the most disgusting of them all , those of Ottoman.

only if you insulted their turkishness, but our compatriots as you stated are cypriots and not turks form turkey. the flag is the turkish flag the same flag that occupies and ethnically cleansed the cypriot population.

I appreciate what you say , it is however reasonable to assume that they , the T/Cs would be offended just as the large majority of G/Cs would if the opposite was the image. How I have always seen things is how I believe they are . There G/Cs and T/Cs in Cyprus , together they endorse or should endorse our true identity that of a Cypriot. Just as the G/Cs celebrate the Greek national days and proudly carry the flag of Greece so too the T/Cs . Any gesture that is likely to offend Kikapu , Bir , Ahmet , Turgut , Alton and may more of my friends I would condemn in the knowledge that if reciprocation occurs , and I'm certain it would , half of the battle would have been won. Antagonising methods that are directed towards all recipients , unlike those directed at individuals , can be easily be interpreted as carrying a message of hatred .
Muratanga can rest assured that his sensitivities are shared by many and a reciprocal approach is the only way forward.

He must see surely that the overwhelming majority of Cypriots see Turkey as the occupying power , justifiably so when more than 200 thousand Cypriots are restricted from exercising their human rights in the country of their birth and the country that they and their ancestors lived for hundreds of years . When often posts appear critical of the isolation of the T/Cs , I say , what isolation . The RoC the government of Cyprus come and claim your participation rights , no one could deny you your rights in your country , but do not expect the Cypriots to succumb to the fanatics who want to impose partition or annexation of the occupied part of Cyprus .

[Pyrpolizer]

Murataga,

Out of respect to you PERSONALLY, without this meaning that I have the slightest respect for the person I wrote it for, I have now removed my post.

The truth is I admit not all Turkish people are like that fascist and his gang in Atca...

I disagree with most hidden messages in your long posts but I acknowledge you are generally a respectable person.

[Pyrpolizer]

As you can see dear Murataga in this forum we don't need fascist Admins, neither fascist moderators who can threaten each and every poster with ban if he dares say the slightest thing against "the spirit of the forum" which in the case of acta is the recognition of the pseudo TRashNcan. In here we have freedom of speech, which seems to be a very low value human right for some of your "ilk" as Eric Kavli says.You should as I will do now say:

THANK YOU ADMIN OF THE CYPRUS FORUM FOR THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH YOU EMBEDED IN THIS FORUM.[/b]

[Murataga]

Pyrpolizer- Thank you very much, I appreciate it. I do not agree with you on most of your posts regarding the Cyprus conflict aswell. However, will forget about this unfortunate incidence and will continue to enagage with you in debates with full respect and courtesy. Believe me, we have both won on this thread.

p.s. I am not a member of ACTA, do not write there, don`t know about them any more than you do. If you have a problem with them, take it up with someone over there, don`t drag me into it.

[Get Real!]

On behalf on Fanos, FC, Gav, and myself I would also like to say a big thank you to the Admin for providing an alternative environment so that we and other people with special needs may be able to live a "normal" life.

[sob]