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[LENA]

Lena said

I am NOT saying that we are perfect but don’t tell me that we don’t respect you.

Lena
You are confusing so many issues here. The point is that the RoC as it stands is catering for only the Greek culture and doing very little for us. I have not said that you guys are out to get us with intent in my post? What can happen though is that if our culture and our existence are sidelined for whatever reason then the natural way for things to go will be a constant fight for us. Although having said that that there are people in the south that would be more than happy to have us become Muslim Cypriots rather than who we really are, that is not the point I was trying to make. You are right in saying that we chose to have many Turks living with us in the north but that was a choice, as stated above between losing our Turkishness or becoming more Turkish. In that case I chose to become more Turkish. I do not feel any shame in being Turkish, as some would suggest I should. The comment you made about the translation of documents is more loaded than I think you imagined. The British government translates many documents for many minorities in the UK but they have no real claim to the island as TCs do. Can you not see the difference? Your comment puts us in minority status at a stroke with no rights to any claim to the island ever belonging, in part to us. The issue of TCs on the island is different to almost any other place in the world when it comes to claiming joint ownership and I am sorry but you do not have sovereignty over the island.

First, a small correction to my post that I just notice.

Now about you Zan can you explain to me what you mean by the emphasise part of your post? What you are? You are not Cypriot? I am sorry if you are not may be I will end this conversation here.

I am not the right person to give you all the laws and the details what the GC government give to TC…but I didn’t say anything more than I saw. Whenever I went for government papers, driving licence, ID, passports, etc there is a TC department, lots of translated documents and stuff member there to help the TC. I don’t know if the UK done the translation and who decided to be done but is what I saw. Can you explain me why I have in my first ID and my first passport Turkish? Is because then UK told us to do? Come on Zan things are not so bad as you want to present them. Yes I agree there are thousands to be done but at least you are in that way.

What did you do for the GC? NOTHING
Do you want us? NO
Do you want to live to a united Cyprus? NO
Do you want partition? YES

You told me that I don’t see any of the facts. Well tell me how much is the GC population in the island? How much is the population of the TC in the island? What the laws say about a government? That governments have to represent their citizens? I asked you again. Do you want us to stop getting married and having children until you become equal? The fact is that you are a minority in the whole Cyprus and in the north among the rest of the Turks. When you were not a minority in Cyprus? The laws and the government have to be fair representing the percentages of their citizens. It bother you so much that the percentage of TC comparing with GC is lower than the ½ but doesn’t bother you because is lower than the ½ of the Turks living north.

If it was possible to eliminate us you were going to do it Zan?

Lena

I will not answer to all your post here because I think we are doubling up on the same thing in two posts. I will just answer the highlighted part. There are organisations in Greece that are not allowed to put the word Turkish up on their representations but have to use the term "Muslim Greeks".

I am worried about you though because you are starting to sound like Pyro. He did not understand me either

Zan you talk about Greece...I am talking about Cyprus...those are 2 different things...I dont care about the politics there or Greek opinions about the TC...what I found out is that living away from the situation and never been to Cyprus to see how it is doesnt make you completely understand the situation here and the feelings of the people that live here...we have our own problems to deal and too many of them to have time to deal with the Greek as well.

As for Pyros...Well I am not related by blood...but we are compatriots. And Pyros knows a lot more than I do in political stuff. Where is he lately by the way?

[humanist]

Zan not all Muslim Greeks (those who immigrate to Greece from primarily islamic nations and take on Greek Citizenship are of Turkish background, they may be Muslims from Uganda who have taken Greek Citizenship. Therefore making the term Muslim Greek tottally valid.

same as Greek Orthodox Britons or Muslim Britons

[Murataga]

The vast majority of the autochthonous Muslim minority in Greece (including the Greek-speaking Muslims), most of whom are fluent in Turkish, espouse a Turkish national identity. I can confidently say that the Turks of Greece would prefer the term "Turkish Greeks" over "Muslim Greeks" any time of the day. You and anyone else with dignity knows very well why Greece classifies all as Muslim Greeks... save the diplomatic manouvers to someone else.

[humanist]

I have no dignity Murataga ........ I am a Greek Speaking Cypriot remember

[humanist]

BHC ‘encouraging sale
of occupied properties’

THE government is to protest to London following complaints that the British High Commission in Nicosia was encouraging the disposal of Greek Cypriot refugee properties through the so-called compensation commission in the occupied area, referring to it as the ‘Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.’
This practice came to light when a Greek Cypriot refugee from Yerolakkos, who is a UK citizen living in London, applied to the High Commission for information about his property.
An official of the High Commission told him he should apply to the "property compensation commission of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" and supplied him via email with the relevant forms to complete and the so-called "legislation" setting up the "commission."
Furthermore, he advised him to go about it in a secretive way, as he might be branded a traitor by the Cypriot Republic and his compatriots.
The incident was aired on CBC television noon news magazine yesterday by journalist Yiannis Nicolaou, with the refugee speaking live on the telephone from London.
According to the journalist, the British diplomat, whom he had contacted, was upset with the refugee for disclosing their communication.
The British High Commission issued two consecutive statements, one for the TV programme in which it said that it never told people what to do with their properties but only furnished them with information.
In a later contradictory statement while categorically saying that the High Commission "had never advised, was not advising and will never advise" anybody to apply to the property commission, it added: "We shall not stray from this line in the future."
Among other things, the British diplomat in his email to the refugee referred to the Annan Plan saying that the property question would be solved according to its provisions. He kept referring also to the ‘Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.’
To the reaction of the refugee why he referred him to the so-called property commission and used a state name for the occupied areas, the diplomat replied that it would take long for the Cyprus problem to be solved, adding he should apply without delay.
The diplomat also spoke of other foreign nationals buying Greek Cypriot property in the occupied areas, saying they run no risk of losing their titles.

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default. ... geID=304_3

Repeatedly the British are encouraging the exploitation of greek speaking Cypriot refugee property, and I am not expected to express my oppinion on this matter as I may offend some ex-pats....... welll the feck with all of you ./.... you acer you do something about this with yur unethical, underhanded covert British Governmnet .... and I don't care who your married too.

[denizaksulu]

Phew!! What a post from bir-kibrisli. What are we doing here? BK can do all our talking. Bravo, indeed.

[Aphrodite18]

Bottom Line is politicians have their own agendas - whichever country and whichever system - including ROC & Turkey!

The saying "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"comes to mind. Look at Bush or Blair as current defenders of the right to presume well past the point of idiocy... biggest joke is we pay these and other morons closer to home to do the damage they do.. not cheapos either when you look beyond their wages at the mess they all make of everything. The Intersts of teh people\nation - don't think so...

Anyone who believes there are solutions that WILL be taken up to the best advantage of all (people) is basically silly. Look at History - wherever you like!!

As to the rest and slating the UK - easy to do but if all the Cypriots Greek and Turkish living\studying (many of them very well)in the UK and elsewhere round the world all came back to defend the purported cause - that would become a major logistical problem too - especially if these same countries they came from publicised how much land\money and shall we say benefits they accrued in these terrible countries!! I am not an expert in International Law\Politics and do not profess to be.

Like most ordinary mortals - I observe and listen.. Screaming and swearing isn't going to change anything - it just might though alienate reasonable fair mind people who would have otherwise helped.... just an unpolitical thought for the day... Final thought - what would happen if teh British (and others..) actually ALL left Cyprus including the British Military presence here? Do you seriously think your own force of C£2 a day conscripts would be able to retain the current line as it is for even 24 hours??? It is very easy to alienate people - you are doing a great job of it Mr F**** Humanist Lecture NOT!!

Put your brain in gear before publicly engaging your mouth please

[Aphrodite18]

One final thought why not re read your own quote re Respect?

[humanist]

because I don't want too. that is why I fed up of the British selling off Cyprus and its people. There we go again the paternalistic British mentality of WE ARE SAVIOURS to the Cypriots. Yes Aphodite we ought to be thankful for selling off our country and still occuyping portions of our land. It would be nice if any of you ex-pats just for once say well may be Britain is not doing the / behaving rightly towards Cyprus instead of justifying the actions of British government and ex-primenisters wife. How how can that be if you possess the ideology that British are the face of civilisation and how dare a Cypriot tell the British who they really are.

BTW I do not respect the British, even a humanist has limits and it does not mean turning the other cheek either. Instead of responding to a fool such as me perhaps you could have wrote a letter to the British High Commission expressing your concerns about their support for the exploitation of refugee land. But one would only act as such if one was in disagreement with such vile acts.


Or should I thank the Blair b----- for all her work on the matter,

[Aphrodite18]

You've gone off on one again... and you haven't answered ANY of the points I raised - you have just repeated your usual irrational tantrums from the previous posts. Having worked with the mentally infirm for a number of years I really feel that perhaps if you considered getting assessed and then taking the treatment you would be better able to argue your case more credibly - assuming there is an actual case rather than emotional histrionics that go nowhere... perhaps you are a politician? Just as an aside I am not Cypriot (Greek or otherwise) nor am I British or Turkish or Greek! I think you need to also take on board the fact that Brits and Germans and Swedes and Russians and Jews and Lebanese and various other people couldn't buy Land or property here if the Cypriots weren't eagerly selling it!! Think about the image you are portraying as you are currently a very public representive of your Country!