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[Biker]

Well Biker....blah,blah,blah

Firstly, the 3 dickheads in question can't do any damage, they can talk their heads off but fuck all will change (bit like a lot of people here really ) Secondly, I hardly think anybody in Cyprus (The RoC) can be classed a refugee anymore, at least not by the common sense use of the word, and thirdly, I was in the Turkish occupied area about a month ago and believe it not they seem to be doing very well for people living "the brunt of international economic embargo".

As for Mrs Blairs and the Orams, that doesn't seem to have made any difference either, in fact in the 15+ years I've lived here, apart from Denktash opening the "border", fuck all has happened and it won't while Cypriot dickhead politicians on both sides are working for their own ends!

[humanist]

You insulting inconsidered prick. There are no refugees in Cyprus. What a typical British uncaring response...... Tell that to Sotos who has not been allowed access to his property for the last 32 years.

You ignorant pathetic being

[Biker]

I the only ignorance is that shown by you to reality.

Let me explain the definition of refugee:

refugee (plural refugees)


noun

Definition:

somebody seeking safe place: somebody who seeks or takes refuge in a foreign country, especially to avoid war or persecution ( often used before a noun )

Nobody in the RoC can possibly say they are still trying find a safe place or to avoid war or persecution.

Time to move on, unless you want to class yourself as a victim for thr rest of your miserable life.

PS: Love the name calling by the way, reminds me of a kids playground.

[Jerry]

I the only ignorance is that shown by you to reality.

Let me explain the definition of refugee:

refugee (plural refugees)


noun

Definition:

somebody seeking safe place: somebody who seeks or takes refuge in a foreign country, especially to avoid war or persecution ( often used before a noun )

Nobody in the RoC can possibly say they are still trying find a safe place or to avoid war or persecution.

Time to move on, unless you want to class yourself as a victim for thr rest of your miserable life.

PS: Love the name calling by the way, reminds me of a kids playground.

By your definition Biker the tens of thousands of Cypriots who left Cyprus to seek safety in the UK, Australia, Canada etc because of the fighting are indeed refugees. Its my sincere hope that one day the British and other foreign carpetbaggers in the north will one day lose the property they bought on the cheap, then they will understand the true definition of the word refugee and perhaps be a little more sympathetic.

[Damsi]

Technically Greek Cypriots are not refugees as you have to be forced to cross an international border to attain refugee status. Greek Cypriots are officially "internally displaced persons" but it doesn't mean they have any less rights under international law.
The UN used to referr to Greek Cypriots as refugees but I remember in 2004 Alvaro de Soto caused a bit of a stink when he said Greek Cypriots were not refugees but displaced persons.

"In its most recent resolution on this subject (1987/50), the Commission
reiterated its previous calls for the full restoration of all human rights to
the population of Cyprus, in particular to the refugees. It also
called for the tracing of and accounting for missing persons in Cyprus without
any further delay; and called for the restoration and respect of human rights
and fundamental freedoms of all Cypriots, including the freedom of movement,
the freedom of settlement and the right to property."

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/ ... penElement

What is the difference between an internally displaced person and a refugee?

According to the 1951 Convention on the Status of Refugees, a "refugee" is a person who, "owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable, or owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it." Subsequent international instruments (such as the Cartagena Declaration on Refugees and the Convention Governing the Specific Aspects of Refugee Problems in Africa) have expanded this definition for some states to persons fleeing the general effects of armed conflict and/or natural disaster.

A crucial requirement to be considered a "refugee" is crossing an international border. Persons forcibly displaced from their homes who cannot or choose not to cross a border, therefore, are not considered refugees, even if they share many of the same circumstances and challenges as those who do.

What rights do internally displaced persons have?

Like all human beings, internally displaced persons enjoy human rights that are articulated by international human rights instruments and customary law. In situations of armed conflict, moreover, they enjoy the same rights as other civilians to the various protections provided by international humanitarian law.

http://www.ohchr.org/english/issues/idp/issues.htm

[Jerry]

Technically Greek Cypriots are not refugees as you have to be forced to cross an international border to attain refugee status. Greek Cypriots are officially "internally displaced persons" but it doesn't mean they have any less rights under international law.
The UN used to referr to Greek Cypriots as refugees but I remember in 2004 Alvaro de Soto caused a bit of a stink when he said Greek Cypriots were not refugees but displaced persons.

"In its most recent resolution on this subject (1987/50), the Commission
reiterated its previous calls for the full restoration of all human rights to
the population of Cyprus, in particular to the refugees. It also
called for the tracing of and accounting for missing persons in Cyprus without
any further delay; and called for the restoration and respect of human rights
and fundamental freedoms of all Cypriots, including the freedom of movement,
the freedom of settlement and the right to property."

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/ ... penElement

What is the difference between an internally displaced person and a refugee?

According to the 1951 Convention on the Status of Refugees, a "refugee" is a person who, "owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable, or owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it." Subsequent international instruments (such as the Cartagena Declaration on Refugees and the Convention Governing the Specific Aspects of Refugee Problems in Africa) have expanded this definition for some states to persons fleeing the general effects of armed conflict and/or natural disaster.

A crucial requirement to be considered a "refugee" is crossing an international border. Persons forcibly displaced from their homes who cannot or choose not to cross a border, therefore, are not considered refugees, even if they share many of the same circumstances and challenges as those who do.

What rights do internally displaced persons have?

Like all human beings, internally displaced persons enjoy human rights that are articulated by international human rights instruments and customary law. In situations of armed conflict, moreover, they enjoy the same rights as other civilians to the various protections provided by international humanitarian law.

http://www.ohchr.org/english/issues/idp/issues.htm

Well I would say that covers the thousands who left the island in 1974 during the Turkish invasion, they did not know if the invader was going to conquer the whole of Cyprus and in any event the Turkish air force bombed (and put people in fear of their lives) targets all over the island.

[free_cyprus]

humanist
900,000 EU/ Cyprus ctitizens are having their human rights violated and that
cyprus should expell the British embassy from Cyprus Now

i say cyprus should expell greek and trukish embassy's from cyprus to these three are the root cause of cyprus problem these three are the ones who violated cyprus human rights thease three are the co conspireters to devide cyprus these three are the result of what cyprus is today

[humanist]

Perhaps all greek cyriot refugees ought to fill their cars and take ther belongings cross over the green line and claim their homes, perhaps when the turks take the guns out then we'll fear for our lives and then the UN may act appropriately.

As far as biker is concerned. I couldn't give a shit with your definition you but I do hope that you may never set a foot on Cyprus we don't have enough room for shit.

[Viewpoint]

Perhaps all greek cyriot refugees ought to fill their cars and take ther belongings cross over the green line and claim their homes, perhaps when the turks take the guns out then we'll fear for our lives and then the UN may act appropriately.

As far as biker is concerned. I couldn't give a shit with your definition you but I do hope that you may never set a foot on Cyprus we don't have enough room for shit.

So after all these GCs have taken back their homes will they live in the TRNC under our laws and administration?

[humanist]

You let them move back and I think they will.