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Postby Murataga » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:06 pm

Look Murataga, its a bloody stupid question, who would know how many GCs know the answers to your question. If you want to play silly girlie games here's one for you "how many TCs know about the ECHR ruling that Pitsilos refers to" You don't know do you! Stop throwing stones at each other it gets you nowhere, it makes you more bitter and antagonistic and less likely to achieve a fair solution


Jeremy and Pitsilos: We know about the ruling very well and prooving (if you are willing to listen) that it is political. The question is not stupid and perfectly valid. You don`t have to answer for others, just answer for yourselves (which by the way Jeremy has done and I thank him for that). So, once again:

How many GCs knew about such facts and confessions I have put at the start of this thread and what do they think after seeing them?
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:07 pm

the_snake_and_the_crane wrote:This Muratage is a joke - he says European Courts of Human Rights are political decisions!! lol

Then he posts random edited quotes from people - which to his argument - are not supposedly supportive of any political party.


it feels like arguing with a 2 year old :lol:
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:17 pm

Murataga wrote:Piratis still asks what the pooint is and at this point I have no hope that he will ever understand despite all the evidence and facts in the world. So my question is to those with a bit more dignitiy and honesty: How many GCs knew about such facts and confessions I have put at the start of this thread and what do they think after seeing them?


First of all the date of the article in German newspaper is only one week after the coup when nobody knew how many soldiers died. I saw with my own eyes the participants to the coup they were not more than 400,in about 30 tanks and the few that died were mostly those inside the presidential palace. The 2000 dead is just a speculation and VASTLY EXAGERATED, and one week after the coup was certainly a totally unverified number.

For your information again the dead were all burried by that priest Papa tsestos. In another interview he said he himself burried 16 persons inside the cementary and the coupist themselves burried about 50 persons outside the wall of the cementary.

His opinion that the Turkish Invasion "saved us from further bloodshell" is true to the extend an atomic bomb explosion would have the same effect.

In my opinion both the coup and the Turkish invasion were staged events and pre agreed between the Greek Junta-CIA-and Turkey to achieve double Enosis.

NB. Papatsestos was a crazy priest and I personally attended an interview where he was confessing his sins. His first sin is that he shot dead a British soldier before 1960.
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Postby Jerry » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:18 pm

Murataga wrote:
Look Murataga, its a bloody stupid question, who would know how many GCs know the answers to your question. If you want to play silly girlie games here's one for you "how many TCs know about the ECHR ruling that Pitsilos refers to" You don't know do you! Stop throwing stones at each other it gets you nowhere, it makes you more bitter and antagonistic and less likely to achieve a fair solution


Jeremy and Pitsilos: We know about the ruling very well and prooving (if you are willing to listen) that it is political. The question is not stupid and perfectly valid. You don`t have to answer for others, just answer for yourselves (which by the way Jeremy has done and I thank him for that). So, once again:

How many GCs knew about such facts and confessions I have put at the start of this thread and what do they think after seeing them?


I don't like nit picking Muratga but if your powers of observation regarding my name are anything to go by then I question your ability to make a useful contribution to this forum. My name is Jerry not Jeremy. (apologies to all Jeremys in the world but I don't like that name, I think it's poncy)
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:21 pm

and the war of the cut&paste continues, to satisfy simple little minds

Rather, in terms of crimes against peace and against humanity, it falls roughly into the category of the Turkish invasion of northern Cyprus

Aftermath - Noam Chomsky. October, 1991

"We are all prisoners of knowledge. To know how Cyprus was betrayed, and to have studied the record of that betrayal, is to make oneself unhappy and to spoil, perhaps for ever, one's pleasure for visiting one of the word's most enchanting islands. Nothing will ever restore the looted treasures, the bereaved families, the plundered villages and the groves and hillsides scalded with napalm. Nor will anything mitigate the record of the callous and crude politicians who regarded Cyprus as something on which to scribble their inane and conceited designs. But fatalism would be the worst betrayal of all. The acceptance, the legitimization of what was done - those things must be repudiated. Such a refusal has a value beyond Cyprus in showing that acquiescence in injustice is not 'realism'. Once the injustice has been set down and described, and called by its right name, acquiescence in it becomes impossible. That is why one writes about Cyprus in sorrow but more - much more - in anger."
Christopher Hitchens, "Hostage in History: Cyprus", Washington, May 1997.


ps1. did you know about the above statements? or do you need help with google? and do you want more to satisfy your non regard of respct for the rule of law?

ps2. an opinion is not a confession. look it up in a dictionary before you start throwing it around

it looks you ain't buttering properly, as ottoman revieled, butter might be new to your part of the woods :lol:
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Postby reportfromcyprus » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:33 pm

There are many UN resolutions on Cyprus - in 1964, there was one appealing for the Cyprus government to restore law and order and stop the bloodshed that was going on between the communities.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:33 pm

@Murataga

Suppose today the Turkish Army stages a coup against Talat by bombing its Presidential palace. How many do you think would die? About 20 soldiers/policemen that guard the place?

That's about what happened in the coup. Mainly the coupists attacked the Presidential Palance, the Archibishopic building which is about 7 Km away, and they took control of RIK and some other Government buildings. Some people say they were in the resistance groups, well what effect that resistance had is really very questionable, given the fact that RIK came under the control of the coupists within 1 hour.
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Postby reportfromcyprus » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:34 pm

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION ... penElement

That's here, forgot to include the link
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Postby pitsilos » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:43 pm

reportfromcyprus wrote:There are many UN resolutions on Cyprus - in 1964, there was one appealing for the Cyprus government to restore law and order and stop the bloodshed that was going on between the communities.


noone said there wasn't any big fellow, its just if you were to follow the discussion here the time frame under discussion is from 1974 and onwards.

i would have thought as a jurno you would have picked up on this.
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Postby reportfromcyprus » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:47 pm

pitsilos wrote:
reportfromcyprus wrote:There are many UN resolutions on Cyprus - in 1964, there was one appealing for the Cyprus government to restore law and order and stop the bloodshed that was going on between the communities.


noone said there wasn't any big fellow, its just if you were to follow the discussion here the time frame under discussion is from 1974 and onwards.

i would have thought as a jurno you would have picked up on this.


Hi pitsilos - as there's reference to 'a merciless internicine war' I gathered that the period 1963-67 was also included.

If that link doesn't work, go here: http://www.un.org/documents/sc/res/1964/scres64.htm

and open Resolution 186

There are other resolutions in the same year which show the situation getting progressively worse between Cyprus and Turkey.
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