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[Alexandros Lordos]

There are two GC faces on this site.

My friend, I think the challenge for all of us here is to respect "all the faces", both of GCs and TCs ... don't forget that Piratis is the top poster in this site, and he wouldn't be holding that title if he didn't care to communicate and reconcile with TCs - in fact, he would have abandoned this forum long ago.

The value of posters like Piratis (and posters like Kelebek, to use a TC example) is that they bring to the surface our deeper feelings of hurt and betrayal, feelings which, to an extent, we all share. If it wasn't for Kelebek and her "righteous anger", I wouldn't be aware of the extent to which TCs have suffered in the 60s. And if it wasn't for Piratis and his "righteous anger", I am sure many TCs in the forum would not be aware of the extent to which Greek Cypriots have suffered because of 1974 ...

So you see, my friend, we are all needed here ...

[uzan]

What we have in the northern part of Cyprus is an illegal occupation. How the invaders arrange the management of the area they occupied is irrelevant.

Mydeear friend withdrew for a while because of your fixed ideas about what had really happened in Cyprus. When Greece was invited to do what Turkey did they did not want to know because they were party to acts of genocyde in Cyprus. Makarios fled to save his thick skin did he not so? My dear friend as I told you before become a little objective about our plight in Cyprus other wise you can only perpetuate the problem. Don't you start being rude again ? If you do that I will only claim to the form that you are not a suitable person to participate in such a democratic form as this .

[-mikkie2-]

As always, the fate of the TC's was a genocide by the GC's. What about the THOUSANDS of GC's that Turkey killed in the invasion? What about the missing?

What about the 'fantom' mass graves of GC's that the Turks don't want anyone to find?

The Turks have acted DISGRACEFULLY by not giving the true location of the GC mass graves created by the Turkish Army and in some cases by TC's themselves. Doesn't it cross the minds of the TC's that the GC's suffered massively as well? An eye for an eys is not good enough. Its an eye for a life and then the humiliation on top of that. Now I hope you can understand where people like Piratis are coming from.

[turkcyp]

..... Now I hope you can understand where people like Piratis are coming from.

No Mikkie,

I would never be able to understand people like Piratis or his TC counterpartys. These kind of people are not after reconciliaction or peace they are after revenge.

The logic goes very circular. You did this to me and therfore it justifies what I did to you. And the roles immediatley change for the otherparty, but the act alwyas stay the same, and we get stuck in this circular motion over and over, and can never break it.

For example everytime I read his post, my beliefs that we can live together goes down and down. And this is not because he is expressing his suffering. If what he was expressing was only how GCs suffered in 1974 he would earn our pity and respect. But what he expresses is that we suffer and therefore you have to suffer too. This is the justification of my illegal acts. And This is how I suffer but i do not care how you suffered in the past.

Basically mentalitty is always about "ME. ME. and ME again".

If once in his posts he can express that yes we have suffered but I can see that you guys have suffered as well. So let's find a way to reconcile. Then he would have earned our respect much much more.

When I post a message, I alwasy try to be at least to some degree equal, and try to always mention that at one point GCs have suffered as well. Try to mention that we have done some mistakes too. Try to accepts the responsibility for our mistakes.

But these kind of people, never do. They are always right and it is always about them.

Sorry but reconciliation is very hard to groom in this kind of atmosphere. The only thing we can raise are feelings of revenge and seeds of hatred.

Take care and have a great day,

[Bananiot]

This topic started as a result of the uproar after Themistocleous claimed publicly that we should be very careful as to how we should address the very people we want to create a federal state of Cyprus together. Another story is surfacing at the moment that highlights the deep seated problems and prejudices. Our government is now refusing flatly to give the "pseudo" police in the north the evidence needed to nail or indeed free the suspected killers of the TC family in the south. In fact, for meagre and silly political bickering, the serious issue of murder will remain unsolved and the killers will probably walk free, because the legal government cannot be seen dealing with the pseudos since this would automatically give them legality, so it is claimed by reckless Doros Theodorou, the pseudo socialist member of Papadopoulos government.

Regarding the issue of easily labelling people in the south as traitors. Lets make an analogy. Akinci, the moderate politician in the north has called for handing over Famagusta to its rightful owners. Old timer, Durturan has made several calls that are not music to the ears of the people with the established way of thinking. Yet, no serious person in the north has called them traitors. Only the bigots, the grey wolves and their followers have done so. Yet, in the south, moderate people cannot have their say. If they do, they are immediately labelled as traitors, not by some marginal organisations but by the very state!

Here is another example. Anastasiades receives a call to go to Ankara and he is attacked viciously by the politically correct and the government itself labels him as a traitor by making a stupid analogy of Greeks that were invited and stayed with Persian kings in order to betray their motherland.

These are just a few examples of the democracy we enjoy in the south. We are ruled by extremists who do not tolerate a different view. I wish I had the patience and optimism of Alexandros! I think we have no future. Can someone lift the gloom?

[brother]

Brothers we are all angry at each other and ourselves, but this anger and hurt is part of the healing process, since most of us have been participating on this forum i bet many of us have if even slightly changed our perspective on the other and in some cases of ourselves.
We are probably years ahead of many other cypriots as we are constantly discussing, debating and in some cases in true cypriot style swearing at each other.
But i honestly believe if we truely want to be a united country and people we will eventually be the people at the forefront who will defend the other side as we now have a deeper understanding of each others pain.

We as cypriots have much to be ashamed of in our past dealings with each other but just maybe in the future we can do the right things and have a future to be proud of.

[insan]

I completely agree with you, brother.

[Bananiot]

What future, brother? Lets face it, our country has been partitioned and wishful thinking can never change this.

[brother]

Not wishful thinking but determination and courage is what will bring our people togethar.
I feel the pain of GC as much as i feel my own pain, i do not want to suffer and i cannot expect the gc community to suffer either the pain that has been haunting us for over 30 years now.

A new war is brewing in cyprus but with a difference, this will be between the nationalist who want partition and no regard for human rights and the liberal people with the live and let live attitude who are progressing to become true europeans and champions of human rights.

The big question is which side will you pick?

[-mikkie2-]

Quite frankly I am fed up with hearing about genocide of TC's, and quite a few 'moderate' TC's in this forum keep talking about genocide when on the flip side GC's suffered the same kind of fate that TC's did.

For me, it is impossible to reconcile if people keep putting such extreme labels to events.

I am also fed up with the negative attitude that is displayed by Bananiot. He claims that we do not have open debate in the south, when quite clearly there is an open and frank exchange of views. Unfortunately, we tend to use extreme words to describe pretty minor things and that goes for both sides.

My view is that actions speak far louder than words. The deliberate policy of Turkey of not telling where GC mass graves are located is DISGRACEFULL. The TC's have full information of their missing and we are still being humilitaed over this issue. The GC side is in the process of de-mining the buffer zone yet nothing has happened about this in the north. These are actions which by all accounts are big steps from our side, yet they seem to go unoticed, particularly by the US, UK and UN, these very people that jump through hoops when Turkey decides to make even the slightest move. I guess when Turkey removes a token number of troops from the north then the whole world will be in rapture and explode in massive congratulory mood for the great steps taken by them.