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[humanist]

free-cyprus, I understand your frustrations around this topic, believe me I do not think there is anyone on this forum that does not share your frustration. However the situation at this moment in Cyprus is that Cypriots living in the North feel aligned to Turkey and identify as Turkish. To this end they have evry right to do so and you have no right to tell them otherwise.

Up until may a decade ago the Cypriots in the South felt strong allegiance to Greece and identified as Greek based on the fact that they speak the same language and many centuries ago the Island was settled by Helenic Greeks. However, after the Ottoman empire, with a large population of Turks remaining on the Island the cultures began to adopt each other's customs, traditions and belief systems to a point that they felt they could.

In the 60's & early 70's some ill infored and fanatical Cypriots who wanted the Island to be annexed to Greece began creating trouble within the Cypriot Community, forcing one population who also spoke Turkish to feel less valued and wanted on the Island. At the same time placing the lives of those Cypriots who spoke Greek in jeopardy through Enosis. This action was indeed so bad that it did not last. However, this gave Turkey an opportunty to invade Cyprus under false pretence and is now Occupying nearly half the Island. As such they have been found guilty of violation of human rights by the European Court of Human Rights and indeed the International Community. Aside from this the Island is now split into two distinct Communities, The Greek Speaking Community which also represents Cypriots of other ethnic bacgrounds and the Cypriot Community in the north representing the Turkish speaking community.

In an ideal world and one that I subscribe too also, there would only be one Cypru s one Cypriot people, it will give me great pleasure to arrive to this new Cyprus and I will embrace it with open arms. However, in the meantime we have a situation where the Island is divided and the Cypriot people have not come to a mutual understanding of what it is they want to see happenning with their country.

It would be more helpful on the other hand if your could in your posts, provide ideas, on perhaps how we could join as one and Unify our country keeeping in mind that there is a portion of our Cypriot population who would like to go on their own way, taking with them land, property and part of te Island that ought to be shared. This makes things complicated because of human rights. However, I am sure that this forum is cruised by government officials from both sides who may take some of our suggestions into account when formualating policies and plans for solution. Now you can be part in assisting with this by making suggestions and recomendations or you could continue to act they way you are calling people names, which only goes further in dividing and separating our Cypriot people. Hence alianating yourself and causing others a great dislike for you. If indeed you are a Cypriot who has the good fortune to have a heritage containing both the greek/ turkish language and therefore enriched by the customs/ values and beliefs of the diversity of our Islands history and culture, then my friend you are more blessed than I and indeed in a position to make changes as you know the pain and sorrow felt by all Cypriots. Use that, through a kind, respectful manner to achieve the results that you want for yourself and all Cypriots.

[miltiades]

Niki2410
I sincerely hope this hatred of each other is confined to the forum. Does this really happen in day to day life?

Experience of actually meeting and talking to people who have been involved with displacement as opposed to reading the extremist views on the forum is fatalistic, whatever will be will be. Please don't think I don't have respect for the loss people have suffered - I am talking about attitudes I have personally seen.

they hate each other with vengiance this is ivident right ehre in this forum..the reason they hate each other soo much is they dont even have an identity soo they call themselves greeks and turks..............be couse cyprus has never had any identity apart from being invaded and rules for thousands of years. they have an excise that becouse they speak one of the two languages used on the island they convince themselves their roots lie in turkey and greece................. and if they study greek and turkish mainland atetudes towards cypriots they view them no less then third class citizens of the world

Hi Niki , please take no notice of the village idiot , thousand upon thousand of T/Cs and GCs interact with each other without any malice what so ever. Just look at my relationship with this forum members . MRFROMNG , BIRKIBRISLY , KIKAPU , PASHA , AHMET and many more. The Cypriots are a friendly laid back people who have similar wants and needs in life , those needs being peace and prosperity , respect for each others concerns as well their desire to improve the welfare of their children by giving them the best education that they can afford.
The Cypriot society is a great society where civil respect is accepted as the norm , where the children are seen as the future ( till they get wheels ! )
It is true however that there are on this forum a number of people whose only purpose is to present their reasons as to why one or the other site should be hated.But the majority are debating the Cyprob without hatred entering into it.Personally I do not tolerate fools easily I'm 61 almost and gave up on pretending to respect comical views by illiterate people regardless of the fact that they have an absolute right to air their views , provided those views do not incite civil disobedience , violent acts or supporting terrorist activities .

[miltiades]

Free_cyprus will you ever stop telling us the same things over and over again? Should I count how many threats you posted with this topic and how many posts did you wrote with the same meaning but different words…well now I am sure you do love to play with words … do you think that we are so stupid that if you tell us the same thing over and over again with different words we might tell you that you are right and that we completely agree with you? Or is not what you really after from us? I ask you again this question and I still don’t have an answer … what do you really want from us and you post this things so many times?

As for this topic…lets go again one more time with different words…NO we do not hate each other as much as you say…yes we do have our arguments and we do have different opinions but that doesn’t turn our feelings to hate or love…this forum is like having a conversation with several people … in this way you just tell your opinion on something…we don’t hate each other…is that clear?
We use “Greek” and “Turk” sometimes without thinking just to express the language division… but ok I agree that we should be more careful with those 2…
But do you know how many times I hear friends calling each other you “right ball pig”… you “ left ball donkey”…that doesn’t mean that they are pigs and donkeys or they are right or left ball…they are humans…and they don’t hate each other because they have different opinions…they just express what they believe! With a funny way but they are still friends after that conversation is over…and they keep their last conversation about women… Ok my dear???

Lena , Ignore him , he may just go away .

[Niki]

Niki2410
I sincerely hope this hatred of each other is confined to the forum. Does this really happen in day to day life?

Experience of actually meeting and talking to people who have been involved with displacement as opposed to reading the extremist views on the forum is fatalistic, whatever will be will be. Please don't think I don't have respect for the loss people have suffered - I am talking about attitudes I have personally seen.

they hate each other with vengiance this is ivident right ehre in this forum..the reason they hate each other soo much is they dont even have an identity soo they call themselves greeks and turks..............be couse cyprus has never had any identity apart from being invaded and rules for thousands of years. they have an excise that becouse they speak one of the two languages used on the island they convince themselves their roots lie in turkey and greece................. and if they study greek and turkish mainland atetudes towards cypriots they view them no less then third class citizens of the world

Hi Niki , please take no notice of the village idiot , thousand upon thousand of T/Cs and GCs interact with each other without any malice what so ever. Just look at my relationship with this forum members . MRFROMNG , BIRKIBRISLY , KIKAPU , PASHA , AHMET and many more. The Cypriots are a friendly laid back people who have similar wants and needs in life , those needs being peace and prosperity , respect for each others concerns as well their desire to improve the welfare of their children by giving them the best education that they can afford.
The Cypriot society is a great society where civil respect is accepted as the norm , where the children are seen as the future ( till they get wheels ! )
It is true however that there are on this forum a number of people whose only purpose is to present their reasons as to why one or the other site should be hated.But the majority are debating the Cyprob without hatred entering into it.Personally I do not tolerate fools easily I'm 61 almost and gave up on pretending to respect comical views by illiterate people regardless of the fact that they have an absolute right to air their views , provided those views do not incite civil disobedience , violent acts or supporting terrorist activities .

My impression absolutely, the poeple are mostly reasonable and honourable.

As all cultures there will be pockets of people who stick together and who have a bond only with their hatred and prejudice. Unfortunately the forum will attract this person as they can air their extremist views easily.

[miltiades]

Spot on Niki !

[Damsi]

All events and situations have the sole function of provoking our inner learning process. Sometimes we need war in order to learn how to think, live and behave so as to not need wars. If we do not learn this personally and globally we will always have wars and there will always be the perpetrators and the victims. And in the larger scale of time today’s perpetrators will become tomorrow’s victims and on and on until we learn.

Thus we each need to look inwardly to see what we can learn from this situation. Some may need to learn to use power more wisely and not for personal benefit. Many will need to learn forgiveness and understanding. One main lesson is to transcend our narrow identification with our personal country, religion or political beliefs and experience unity with and interest in all beings regardless of where they live and what they believe.

Another lesson is to put ourselves in the others’ position and imagine how they – our "enemies" feel and realize that they are human beings like us with families, children, fears and needs. We are being asked to see where we ourselves misuse power, where we lie to ourselves and others in order to serve our needs and where we are indifferent to others and their needs. Especially our indifference to those to who belong to «other» groups, nationalities, religions political systems.

Our leaders are simply symbols or manifestations of our collective consciousness and that they reflect our own personal human qualities – in this particular case - alienation, arrogance, misuse of power and indifference towards those not in our circle of identification. These leaders are simply playing their cosmic role by expressing those same aspects within each of us. We have all misused power with our children, spouses, employees and others. We have all been indifferent to others’ pain when focused only on what we need.

Thus, our leaders are playing out a cosmic drama showing to us our present level of consciousness. Such leaders could not be in power if we did not deserve them and if they did not represent our ways of thinking and acting. By hating, we are increasing the negative energy and adding to the problem. To wage peace, we ourselves need to become peaceful. We have meet the enemy and he is within.

By Robert Elias Najemy

http://1stholistic.com/

[free_cyprus]

miltiades
you call me a village idiot. lol i rather be a village idiot then a wanker like you i have not read post on here that you wrote that says something about cyprus people.................you are the worse brainwashed of all the brainwashed cypriots. and you are going to tellme something about my own people............................. the floor is yours mate tell me somthing i dont know about my cyprus my people educate me. my brain needs feeding

[miltiades]

miltiades
you call me a village idiot. lol i rather be a village idiot then a wanker like you i have not read post on here that you wrote that says something about cyprus people.................you are the worse brainwashed of all the brainwashed cypriots. and you are going to tellme something about my own people............................. the floor is yours mate tell me somthing i dont know about my cyprus my people educate me. my brain needs feeding

Look mate out of politeness and for one last time I'm going to pay you the honour of responding to your post in a grown up fashion without reverting to insults true as they might be.
You came on the forum without bothering to read any posts of any member on this forum , more so any of my posts regarding the Cypriot problem and the Cypriot identity. You began by subjecting everyone with gutter insults unfounded uncalled for and damn right ignorant. I do not generally entertain interaction with those that I consider , and others do also , inadequately equipped to offer a sensible discussion on any issue , with the exception of children when discussing the merits of mickey mouse. You have told by more than one person , that your posts are repetitive , monotonous with no substance what so ever and yet you pursue a vendetta on all posters by indulging in acrimonious insults baseless accusations .The sensible members on this forum , and by this I do not mean only those that I agree with are fed up to the teeth by your moronic parrot like posts and you are persistent denial that indeed you are the village idiot.

[T_C]

miltiades
you call me a village idiot. lol i rather be a village idiot then a wanker like you i have not read post on here that you wrote that says something about cyprus people.................you are the worse brainwashed of all the brainwashed cypriots. and you are going to tellme something about my own people............................. the floor is yours mate tell me somthing i dont know about my cyprus my people educate me. my brain needs feeding

Look mate out of politeness and for one last time I'm going to pay you the honour of responding to your post in a grown up fashion without reverting to insults true as they might be.
You came on the forum without bothering to read any posts of any member on this forum , more so any of my posts regarding the Cypriot problem and the Cypriot identity. You began by subjecting everyone with gutter insults unfounded uncalled for and damn right ignorant. I do not generally entertain interaction with those that I consider , and others do also , inadequately equipped to offer a sensible discussion on any issue , with the exception of children when discussing the merits of mickey mouse. You have told by more than one person , that your posts are repetitive , monotonous with no substance what so ever and yet you pursue a vendetta on all posters by indulging in acrimonious insults baseless accusations .The sensible members on this forum , and by this I do not mean only those that I agree with are fed up to the teeth by your moronic parrot like posts and you are persistent denial that indeed you are the village idiot.

free_cyprus seems to be suffering from verbal diarrhea!

Of all the people to argue with free_cyprus chooses militades who actually shares similar views to him DOH!

[souroul]

i hate the turks but not the TCs

with a passion