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[Piratis]

I have noticed that the typical TCs (Zan, VP Murtaga etc) have gone into a barrage of one of the same old propaganda to excuse their illegalities and crimes against Greek Cypriots.

Basically they selectively take the one side of a story that didn't last even for a decade, they exaggerate it as much as possible, they spice it up with lots of lies, and they keep talking and talking about their distorted version of that tiny part of history with a single aim: To argue that Greek Cypriots deserve to punished with illegalities and crimes against them due to what happened in the past.

If you notice the threads that Zan, Viewpoint and some others start, thats always the theme.

So basically there was an intercommunal conflict several decades ago that lasted for 5 years were both sides harmed each each other and each side had some 100s of victims. These Typical TCs of our forum take only one side of that story (the GC aggression, not the TC aggression. The TC victims, not the GC victims. The GC mistakes, not the TC mistakes, etc) exaggerate it to the maximum (e.g. by talking for hours about each casualty they had), they spice it up with several lies created by the Turkish propaganda, and thats all they talk about.

So OK, the sum of all that is that TCs suffered for a few years (a drop in the ocean compared to the suffering they caused and continue to cause to us) and had some 100s of casualties (again a drop in the ocean compared to the 10s of thousands of GCs they butchered).

So what is the bill they demand from us to pay for what we did to them? According to them the 32 years of occupation and the 200.000 refugees are not enough. They want to use that drop in the ocean events to keep punishing as in eternity.

What they don't know however, is that nothing can last for an eternity. The balance of power will one day shift. And since the TCs in here seem unwilling to discuss any peaceful solution based on human rights for all and democracy, and they only care to discuss about punishments, I thought it is a good idea to start discussing about what the punishment for TCs should be.

I think the bill to TCs should be fair, and we should not charge the TCs more than what they charge us. We already know that the "bill" for a decade of suffering and some 100s of victims is at least 6000 dead, 200.000 ethnically cleansed and 32 years of occupation. I say at least because according to the TCs what we paid so far is not enough, and we have to pay even more. So maybe they should enlighten us as to what the exact "bill" we have to pay is, so it would be easier for us to calculate the bill they have to pay using the same rate, to be fair.

And here is a small sample of what the bill to TCs will include.
Lets start from the beginning:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

The bill will also include 3 centuries of oppression, over 3 decades of occupation, 100s of victims during the intercommunal conflict, the ethnic cleansing of 200.000 people, 6000 dead during the invasion etc.

So roughly I would say that the bill TCs should pay, based on the rate they charge us, should be at least 100 times more expensive from what they force us to pay.

Those that insist that what is fair is to punish GCs based on selectively choosing tiny, one sided distorted versions of history, they should be prepared because sooner or later the day will come that it will be their turn to pay the full bill plus the tips.

[ken910]

piratis is this what they teach u at school u poor little boy do a little bt of resaerch if u have the common sense to u nderstand the truth , so greek arent u narrow minded

[Piratis]

piratis is this what they teach u at school u poor little boy do a little bt of resaerch if u have the common sense to u nderstand the truth , so greek arent u narrow minded

Why don't you tell me the truth?

Isn't it true that Turks butchered 10s of thousands of Cypriots? Isn't it true that the Turks oppressed GCs for centuries? Isn't it true that during the inter communal conflict GCs also had 100s of casualties? isn't it true that 6000 died and 200.000 have been ethnically cleansed during the invasion? Isn't it true that their is an illegal occupation of Cyprus for the last 32 years?

Or maybe the "truth" for you is just your one sided distorted version of a mere 5 years in history that you want to use as an excuse to any and all your crimes and illegalities against us? Thats what they brainwash you day and night isn't it?

Narrow minded are those that can see only the tiny parts of history that suit them. I can see everything, and if you stop being narrow minded and you see everything as well then you will see that during the 99% of the history (including TODAY) the turks have been the aggressors and the ones committing the crimes.

[zan]

piratis is this what they teach u at school u poor little boy do a little bt of resaerch if u have the common sense to u nderstand the truth , so greek arent u narrow minded

Why don't you tell me the truth?

Isn't it true that Turks butchered 10s of thousands of Cypriots? Isn't it true that the Turks oppressed GCs for centuries? Isn't it true that during the inter communal conflict GCs also had 100s of casualties? isn't it true that 6000 died and 200.000 have been ethnically cleansed during the invasion? Isn't it true that their is an illegal occupation of Cyprus for the last 32 years?

Or maybe the "truth" for you is just your one sided distorted version of a mere 5 years in history that you want to use as an excuse to any and all your crimes and illegalities against us? Thats what they brainwash you day and night isn't it?

Narrow minded are those that can see only the tiny parts of history that suit them. I can see everything, and if you stop being narrow minded and you see everything as well then you will see that during the 99% of the history (including TODAY) the turks have been the aggressors and the ones committing the crimes.

You can try to take revenge for your thousand year old ancestors if you wish but my blood is still boiling for the ones that tried to kill me and my family personally and are still trying to one way or another. Let us see who has the more conviction and the right. The part of history you are saying we claim is not just five years but as old as me. 46 years of crap from a republic that promised to look after its entire people. It then went on to cater for 60% of its people and to make a minority as smaller minority through death and persecution. ENOSIS through the eyes of a regime that once started got so out of hand that priests took the streets killing subjects with guns. I will stand up in court against you any day of the week and you can put your case of a million years if you like and call up your ghosts as witnesses. I have real live witnesses and also victims that are alive and kicking no thanks to your extreme views against us. Call the date Pap and let’s go to court.

[Piratis]

Thousand year old ancestors? A thousand years ago the Turks were somewhere in Mongolia living in caves and eating roots. We had no problem with the Turks back then.

The problems started when they decided to start the raids and invasions against us, and they continue until today.

You again went on talking about a period that lasted for a mere 5 years (a drop in the ocean compared to the 32 years of occupation, or the centuries of oppression we had to suffer) were you had some 100s of victims, a period which was 4 decades ago.

Your attrocities and crimes against us, while they started 100s of years ago, they continue until TODAY and you have killed 1000s of Greek Cyprots and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands much more recently than the comparatively ancient period you complain about.

As far as the courts go, they have already decided that the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey is illegal, your pseudo puppet state is illegal, and the human rights violations against us are illegal as well.

But as usual the Turks pay no attention to international law and human rights. All the care about is to find some lame excuse to continue with the only thing the ever learned: To invade, occupy and steal what does not belong to them.

[Piratis]

So back the topic.

The bill according to Zan for some 100s of victims and suffering in an intercommunal conflict is 6.000 dead + 200.000 ethnically cleansed.

Therefore for the casualties we suffered by the TCs during the intercommunal conflict which are equal to those we caused to them, the bill is that 6.000 TCs have to be killed, and 200.000 of them ethnically cleansed from Cyprus.

Of course thats just one item in the long list that will be included in the bill for TCs, but since we are forgiving and generous maybe we will give them a discount and make them pay just the above, which is way less than what they should have paid based on the crimes they committed against us during all these years.

[Get Real!]

Thousand year old ancestors? A thousand years ago the Turks were somewhere in Mongolia living in caves and eating roots.

...and they would sometimes miss and jab their eyes. They also bred like wild Rabbits and in time became the biggest pest in the history of mankind...

I can see a children's story book in the making!

[zan]

Thousand year old ancestors? A thousand years ago the Turks were somewhere in Mongolia living in caves and eating roots. We had no problem with the Turks back then.

The problems started when they decided to start the raids and invasions against us, and they continue until today.

You again went on talking about a period that lasted for a mere 5 years (a drop in the ocean compared to the 32 years of occupation, or the centuries of oppression we had to suffer) were you had some 100s of victims, a period which was 4 decades ago.

Your attrocities and crimes against us, while they started 100s of years ago, they continue until TODAY and you have killed 1000s of Greek Cyprots and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands much more recently than the comparatively ancient period you complain about.

As far as the courts go, they have already decided that the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey is illegal, your pseudo puppet state is illegal, and the human rights violations against us are illegal as well.

But as usual the Turks pay no attention to international law and human rights. All the care about is to find some lame excuse to continue with the only thing the ever learned: To invade, occupy and steal what does not belong to them.

And which law were you using to ethnically cleans innocent people that were part of the first republic of Cyprus. The Greek law that states that anything that refuses to become Greek in nature is to be eradicated? I say to you again...Bring forth the man that I wronged a thousand years ago and We can sit together and show our scares and cry our hearts out. The 5 years you decide to remember is total crap because the RoC has done nothing but persecute me and mine for 46 years. It still continues to do so with every move it makes. It has done nothing....I repeat nothing to make me a part of its system and does everything, which includes playing the Greek national anthem at a rugby match and at every other sporting event where these two ENOSIS brothers flaunt there gains in our faces. The TRNC/KKTC is here to stay mate and whether you like it or not your incompetent government and fools like you are keeping it that way.

[Piratis]

And which law were you using to ethnically cleans innocent people that were part of the first republic of Cyprus.

The same law you were using to ethnically cleanse an exact equal amount of innocent people during the same period.

So sure, there was a tiny part of history that along with you, we committed crimes as well. During the rest of the history, which includes TODAY you are the ones committing crimes against us.

So if for that 1% of time we deserve such punishment, then surely you should deserve a much bigger punishment since not only you committed an equal amount of crimes during that 1% of time, but you were committing crimes against us during most of the rest 99%, something that you continue until today.

Bring forth the man that I wronged a thousand years ago

Look man, I don't know any 1000 year old Mongolian that were wronged by the Turks back then. What I know are 100s of thousands of people that are wronged and have their human rights violated by the Turks today.

he 5 years you decide to remember is total crap because the RoC has done nothing but persecute me and mine for 46 years.

46? You add years from your ass? The conflict started in 63, and you were the victim as much as you were the aggressor. However after 74 you were just the aggressor, just like you have been during most parts of our history.

So no, I am not a lier like you, and I didn't came here to say we didn't commit crimes. I just state the facts: If GCs deserve a punishment for the amount of crimes they committed, then surely the TCs should deserve a 100 times more punishment since they committed much more crimes, over much longer periods and they insist on committing crimes as we speak.

All I am saying is that if you believe that we should be punished for our crimes by X amount of punishment, you should also accept that the time will come that you will punished for your crimes. And since your crimes were 100 times more (and keep increasing every day), the punishment should be 100X.

[turkkan]

A thousand years ago the Turks were somewhere in Mongolia living in caves and eating roots. We had no problem with the Turks back then.

Although i realise youre trying to simply insult us, a bit of history at this time is probably needed. A 1000 years ago approx, we were nowhere near mongolia, but actually in 1091 fighting at the battle of manzikert. second, although mongolians were close cousins of the first turkic tribes, we had a separate language to them, and ultimately to make a long story very brief we started moving towards the middle east because of them and a number of other factors which finally lead to the islamisation of these tribes who had very superior fighting capabalities to the arabs in the region. Which is why ultimately the caliph of baghdad recruited them as millitary slaves and by the tenth century islam was firmly rooted among the turks despite them maintaining their racial identity and culture (separate from the arabs that is). Luckily for us, by the 11 century the Seljuks a turkish dynasty had reveresed the role of us being millitary slaves and become sultans in baghdad and by the end of their dynasty from central asia to egypt, at quite remarkable speed, was larqely ruled by turks, something that was considered phenomenonal within the muslim world. If you wish me to continue with what we were doing a thousand years ago, i will be more than happy to continue piratis. Happy easter btw.