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[Piratis]

piratis - you wrote:

This is a great example of Turkish arrogance. They illegally occupy our country and violate the human rights of 100s of thousands of people, and on top of that they want to be rewarded on our loss.

So it is perfectly clear that the turks approve the ethnic cleansing of 200.000 Greek Cypriots and the violations of our human rights. This is the conclusion, just keep it in your mind for when your turn will come to pay the bill.

No it is not an example of Turkish arrogance, it is a clear display of your personal denial. No it is not the conlusion it is how you wish to distort realities. No, it is not only your country, it is our`s, TCs` aswell.

If there is any illegal occupation in Cyprus, it is your lot that has invaded the government of RoC. You have been illegally violating our human rights every day for the past 32 years. You repeat like a broken record that we "gain on your loss", when it is you that actually got all the financial aid, recognition and support for ousting us out of the ROc to achieve ENOSIS (i.e. to have the island to be a subject of Greece), yet you speak of our "gain"?... We can make no progress before you acknowledge the paramount violations of our human rights in the past and the present day in Cyprus. Finally, I strongly suggest that you stop repeatedly making threats when your arguement is nullified, for it is an insult to your people who I know is better than that.

I said you want to gain, not that you gained. You gained illegaly land, but the consequences of your criminal illegal action meant that in overall you were the losers. And as long as you insist on illegalities and crimes you will remain the biggest losers.

It is time to get rid of your middle age mentality of invading, killing, and stealing what does not belong to you and realize that this is the 21st century and there can be no excuses for performing things like ethnic cleansing, human rights violations and international law violations.

Yes we harmed you in the past, and you harmed us 100 times as much. Therefore you repeating over and over that 1% of history that we harmed you can not be an excuse for you to violate our human and democratic rights AGAIN, since during most of the rest 99% (including today) you are the aggressors, and we are the victims.

Therefore if there is somebody that should be rewarded on the loss of another based on what happened in the past, these should be the Greek Cypriots, not the TCs. However since we are living in the 21st century what I hope for is that nobodies rights should be violated anymore and to finally have peace, democracy and human rights for all without racist discriminations.

However if you refuse that, and all you care about is how to win a war against us, to gain on our loss, to gain our land and to violate our human and democratic rights, then you give us no other option than to fight against you.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

snake who in the world made you an expert how about u supply the point of youre info is it like piratis youre primary books u r so full of it no wonder u callyoure self a snake.

Blah blah blah - another childish response with no substance from a Turkish nationalist.

How about this ... http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/0/a99f ... endocument ...its an official report from the UN office of human rights. I hope this is not too much reality for you!!

zan this man has lost the plot u or i have nothing to prove to them .now this is the real problem we r trying to hard f them let them beg us

Beg my arse lol ... You stay there holding the north of Cyprus to ransom while the Turkish Cypriot identity slowly erodes away.

Its people like you who are the REAL traitors to the Turkish Cypriot cause...because as Zan blatently stated, losing the Turkish Cypriot culture is not a problem and being known simply is a Turk is his goal.

[Viewpoint]

So Turkish Cypriots identity erodes with Turks but not with Greek Cypriots...how do you work that out?

[pitsilos]

someone spent 30 minutes looking at an orange juice carton because it said concentrate

[humanist]

VP if you cannot get it that the turkish cyriot identity and culture is unique to those Cypriots of Turkish background then you aint never gonna get it and we may as well not be discussing anything. Turkish Cypriot culture and identity was born out of Cyprus, the land, the people and other influneces primarily the greek speaking cypriot culture. As greek cypriot culture and identity differs from the Greeks.

May I also remind you that Cypriots lived in harmony for many years before the 50's - 60's. So the reality is we can live together and we have done so. Some racists got up and started something that caused a rift in the social community of the Island. If we each take responsibility for our past actions acknowledge and apologise for the ills caused we can once again live together.

I know this argument does not wash with separatists and partitionist such as yourself, but many other would agree with me. And before you start on the victim argument I am not prepared to talk about the 60's events again.... like another turkish speaking cypriot said in a post it is getting boring.

[Viewpoint]

I will try not to refer to the past but you avoid the core of my question how will TCs not be influenced by GCs? yet GCs argue that Turks will ensure eroding our identity. Wont Gcs speak Greek or go to Church, lock up their sons and daughters?? I still feel the influence is the same and for TCs the danger exsists from both Turks and GCs.

[T_C]

He's probably devised his own Anti-Turk program that writes everything for him changing a few words here and there. He just starts to type a few words and the program predicts what he's saying like txt messages and completes his sentence automatically.

I am Anti-those that illegaly occupy my country and violate my human rights. You find this strange turkish_cypriot?

No Piratis, I get you! But it's you who doesn't get the TC point of view at all....

[humanist]

VP it is inevitable that Turkish speaking Cypriots will be influnced by the greek Speaking Cypriots as are Greek Speaking Cypriots will inevitably be influenced by Turkish Speaking Cypriots. We already have, frankly I see that as a positive thing. I like using the word "teneke" I love hearing the word "gusel"? (not sure about the speling. VP in 2007 with the advent of the internet it is inevitable that most cultures/ societies and communities are influencing one another. That is called development and evolution.

Yes Greek Speaking Cypriots will still go to church, but why is that offensive to a turkish speaking cypriot? should I find it offensive if a turkish speaking cypriot goes to a mosque if a bahai goes to their place of worship? I do not I embrace and try and learn from them.

I doubt it very much that in a European Cyprus in 2007 anyone will force anyone to change their culture, religion or language. You have the right to be influenced as much or as little as you like. If I observed somethng from another culture that I thought was for my betterment ofcourse I would choose to accept it and practice it. If not I don't. But that is me. We are all different. Are you telling me that turkish people in turkey have not been influened by the west? are you telling me that turkish speaking cypriots have not been influenced by turkey and the west?

VP if we come to a point f accepting each human being as a creation of Allah then we can accept that some of us speak, greek/ turkish/ english/chinese/hebrew and we can live together in harmony, if our narrow minds allow us to expand our knowledge and horizons there are so many benefits in different cultures living together.

Yes finally I believe that the greek speaking cypriot leadership ought to acknowledege the past wrongs on turkish speaking cypriots by some fanatics at the time and create an atmosphere that will ensure personal safety as well as an encouragement of the continuation of turksih speaking cypriot culture. This is to be done through education, in all schools in all grades, and classess for adults to learn the languages of each otherthrough the newlly proposed cultural centre, when signatories from thre international arena visit grek/ turkish dances and customs ought to be applied, as well as jewish and armenian, we are all co-owners of this Island and need to represent its rich cultural heritage, and that is of-course forever canging. I assure you that weddings in cyprus today are not the weddings that i remember as a 10 year old in a hot summner night at the village square. So what i mean to say in this last sentence culture is forever evolving and changing as the modern world does too.

[Murataga]

piratis- you wrote:

I said you want to gain, not that you gained. You gained illegaly land, but the consequences of your criminal illegal action meant that in overall you were the losers. And as long as you insist on illegalities and crimes you will remain the biggest losers.

It is time to get rid of your middle age mentality of invading, killing, and stealing what does not belong to you and realize that this is the 21st century and there can be no excuses for performing things like ethnic cleansing, human rights violations and international law violations.

Yes we harmed you in the past, and you harmed us 100 times as much. Therefore you repeating over and over that 1% of history that we harmed you can not be an excuse for you to violate our human and democratic rights AGAIN, since during most of the rest 99% (including today) you are the aggressors, and we are the victims.

Therefore if there is somebody that should be rewarded on the loss of another based on what happened in the past, these should be the Greek Cypriots, not the TCs. However since we are living in the 21st century what I hope for is that nobodies rights should be violated anymore and to finally have peace, democracy and human rights for all without racist discriminations.

However if you refuse that, and all you care about is how to win a war against us, to gain on our loss, to gain our land and to violate our human and democratic rights, then you give us no other option than to fight against you.

Apparently what I write falls on blind eyes and deaf ears impeded by your ego for you are not responsive to any progress and keep repeating yourself. No, it is us that is responsible for not even 1% of the crimes. No, it is you that has been violating our rights with that so called "middle-age mentality" of your`s by trying to subject the island to another state and conducting violence to achieve it. No, you are the one`s that stole the government and ousted us illegally and through violence. TCs have only protected themselves from violence and human rights violations directed at them. Yet you unethically claim damage? Impossible! Each day you are violating their human rights. Until you recognize it and compensate them for all the mischief and illegal actions you have conducted they will continue to fight against you. If it is a fight you want, you know where to find us, bring it on, beacuse we are well fed up with your crimes, theft and harrassment and more than willing to take it to the next level. Stop your crimes and illegalities against TCs today or be prepared to face the consequences!

[Piratis]

He's probably devised his own Anti-Turk program that writes everything for him changing a few words here and there. He just starts to type a few words and the program predicts what he's saying like txt messages and completes his sentence automatically.

I am Anti-those that illegaly occupy my country and violate my human rights. You find this strange turkish_cypriot?

No Piratis, I get you! But it's you who doesn't get the TC point of view at all....

I get it and I don't like it. What if my "point of view" involved the violation of your human and legal rights? Would you accept it because it is "my point of view"?

Everybody is free to have any point of view they want. You can have the most hateful thoughts in your mind and say whatever you want by using the 100% of your freedom of speech.

What you can not do is to violate the human and legal rights of others. You can not do that no matter what is your point of view is.