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[Piratis]

The quite unfortunate title of the thread given by Piratis reveals the mind set that we the TCs have been fighting against since 1963: “How can the Turks be punished, how can they be ejected, how can they be removed, what should we charge them, and etc….”.

On the contrary I have repeatedly asked for peace, democracy and human rights for all Cypriots.

Unfortunately the TCs of this forum have rejected those ideals, and instead they insisted that GCs deserve to be punished by being ethnically cleansed ,having their homes and properties stolen and their human rights violated.

Therefore the conclusion is clear:
If GCs deserve punishment for the X amount of crimes they committed, then surely the Turks deserve punishment as well for the 100X crimes they committed.

So it is up to you to decide Murtaga. So answer this question straight:

Should innocent people today and in the future be punished by means of ethnic cleansing and human rights violations based on events that happened many decades ago?

If you answer "no", I would be glad, because what I want is democracy and human rights for all.

If you answer "yes", then it proves my conclusion about you is right, and you give us no alternative than to respond in the same way.

Or maybe your answer will be: "Only GCs should be punished, while TCs should be rewarded"? Actually this is the most possible answer from a racist like you who still carries the Turkish mentality from the middle ages.

[Murataga]

Piratis- a quick question: did you even read the rest of the post?

[Piratis]

The accusations that the Ottomans slaughtered GCs for fun is nothing but senseless myth from ultranationalist Greek websites.

A myth? Really? "ultranationalist Greek websites"??

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

The above is from the USA Library of Congress. (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html#cy0017)

Yes, even your good friends and allies the Americans can not deny the obvious facts. And you are telling us that the turks did us a favor for butchering 10s of thousands of Cypriots and enslaving us for three centuries?

In fact based on the population of Cyprus during the 16th century, the many 10s of thousands of GCs that the turks butchered within the first months of their invasion amounts to genocide.

But the problem is not how the Turks were then. The problem is that they have not changed at all since then and even in the 21st century they continue in the same criminal way, totally disregarding that now there are things like international law and human rights that they are supposed to obey.
For them it is OK to act in the same way they acted during the middle ages!

[Piratis]

Piratis- a quick question: did you even read the rest of the post?

Sure I did. And what it shows is that you have a collection of propaganda material. I searched for some of your quotes and I couldn't find them online. So my question now is: Do you own and have read in full the books you quote from? Or the Turkish propaganda have simply provided you with the parts needed for your propaganda?

So now that I answered your question, answer mine. I asked you one in my previous post, and one more in this post. I hope you will not avoid answering.

[Biker]

Why don't you tell me the truth?

As you asked...

The truth is that nobody, apart from a few demented and sad people on this forum, give a flying F*** about what happened in 1450BC, 1571 or 1974, and your (and others) continued rehashing of the same old facts (as you and they see them) are about as much use as nipples on a bull in getting anywhere near moving forward in life.

I have a question for you and the aforementioned persons;

How do you manage to sit and type out the same diatribe every night?

You're all so predictable it's hilarious.

[Piratis]

Why don't you tell me the truth?

As you asked...

The truth is that nobody, apart from a few demented and sad people on this forum, give a flying F*** about what happened in 1450BC, 1571 or 1974, and your (and others) continued rehashing of the same old facts (as you and they see them) are about as much use as nipples on a bull in getting anywhere near moving forward in life.

I have a question for you and the aforementioned persons;

How do you manage to sit and type out the same diatribe every night?

You're all so predictable it's hilarious.

I didn't expect you to understand anything taxi boy. Go to your pub and have a few more and don't bother with things you do not have the mental capacity to understand.

[Peterc]

I do not usually post on this blog but after reading this, I felt compelled to write and ask," what good is this doing". I am neither a scholer in the Cyprus problem nor someone that blames either party. I’m a GC and proud of the fact. What I’m not proud of is that both sides blame the other. Is it not time to start talking civilly?

[T_C]

He's probably devised his own Anti-Turk program that writes everything for him changing a few words here and there. He just starts to type a few words and the program predicts what he's saying like txt messages and completes his sentence automatically.

[Piratis]

I do not usually post on this blog but after reading this, I felt compelled to write and ask," what good is this doing". I am neither a scholer in the Cyprus problem nor someone that blames either party. I’m a GC and proud of the fact. What I’m not proud of is that both sides blame the other. Is it not time to start talking civilly?

I tried many times Peterc. Try to talk civilly with a TC about the future and the result is always the same: They will drag you back to their own distorted version of a tiny part of the past with only aim to justify why GCs should be punished with having their human rights violated and their country occupied.

I think it was about time to let them know that if what they want is to use past events to punish people today, that we can do the same as well, and we in fact have a ton more things to convict them for.

I wish the past can be left behind and we can finally start discussing within the framework of democracy, human rights and international law. Unfortunately I am convinced that this will not happen, since TCs do not want democracy, human rights and international law, but an excuse to continue their crimes against us.

[Piratis]

He's probably devised his own Anti-Turk program that writes everything for him changing a few words here and there. He just starts to type a few words and the program predicts what he's saying like txt messages and completes his sentence automatically.

I am Anti-those that illegaly occupy my country and violate my human rights. You find this strange turkish_cypriot?