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[alexISS]

even if you call it "evolution", you can still qualitatively compare the cultural "evolutionary" state of the Greeks then, and the state they are now.

You could also compare the cultural state of the Greeks between the Byzantine era and the Roman BC era.

- The Greeks 2000 years ago, with those Gods, with that mentality,
with those traditions, with that way of life, etc, achieved all those
things they achieved, and produced all those people they produced.
The Greeks 2000 after that, or better, it's been 2000 after that, with
their new God and religion (Christianity), new mentality, new way of
life, etc, WHAT HAVE THEY ACHIEVED ???

Blaming religion is one way to justify this, another could be that Greeks only flourish culturally when they are free, so the periods of Roman and Ottoman occupation were the Greeks' "dark years". Besides, modern Greece DOES achieve a lot today, especially when taking into consideration her population size.

The answer is pretty much NOTHING, and most of the others (Germans, British, French, etc) who achieved something and moved on, and we stayed behind, they achieved it relying heavily on those ancient sources, material, and knowledge, that we (actually they) the "enlightened", Greek-Cristians (if such a thing could ever make sense) rejected....

Well those others are christians too...

You say the New Testament was written by Greeks (in Greek, etc), as if the New Testament is any great intellectual achievement or something. It is a ridiculus text, nowhere even near to the intelectual value of other ancient geek texts. It is (the New Testament) perhaps the best example of the intellectual, and cultural, corruption i was describing.

I said this in reply to your claim that christianity was a "foreign" and "given" religion

[miltiades]

DIOGENIS WROTE :
""""As Greeks from Cyprus, we should be proud of our Greek identity and heritage. We are above all Greeks, with its "goods" and "bads". It is not an issue of choosing NOT to be because your state became independent. I am a Greek that lives in a state called Cyprus, that's all. If tomorrow a Cretan becomes politically independent, will he stop being Greek because he is politically independent? Obviously NOT. """"

Listen ignoramus , Cyprus is NOT a state but an internationally recognised NATION. In whose books is Cyprus a state ?? Cyprus existed before Greece in case you did not know , we have a history that goes back more than 6000 years . You have VP on your side !!!
If you want to post rubbish start a new thread aptly titled BULLSHIT.

[halil]

Dare u eat dolmades , mousakka , kokoretsi, kadaifi from now on..
Dare u dance tsiftetelli...

karma his problem is that he eat those stuff he is not eating shieftalies...he is from Greece and he want all of us to be Greek as well...he doesnt respect our nationality!!!

shieftalies has anything to do with sheftali?? sheftali means peach in turkish?? can u check it for me??

Sorry Karma...I have no idea...why they name them like that but...NO sieftalies has nothing to do with peaches

Hi Lena,
from my research i found out that Sheftali came out from SHEF ALi.from time to time word is change to Sheftali. like Cyprus grape VERİGO.
when the english man ate the grape he said VERYGOOD.but some how word spread araund the island as a VERİGO.

Good morning Halil... That was really funny but really informative. Thanks for the information! But do you know who Ali was? I do know one Ali but I dont think that he was the chef that you are talking about!

İ have no idea about shef ali. the ali u know ,at the moment he must be university.
we are making a documantery about Apostepal andrea.still we did'nt get chance to solve the question about old lady..... why she does'nt smile at all ? it will broadcast from germany. it will be my daughter first project.....
more to come.....

[bigOz]

DIOGENIS WROTE :
""""As Greeks from Cyprus, we should be proud of our Greek identity and heritage. We are above all Greeks, with its "goods" and "bads". It is not an issue of choosing NOT to be because your state became independent. I am a Greek that lives in a state called Cyprus, that's all. If tomorrow a Cretan becomes politically independent, will he stop being Greek because he is politically independent? Obviously NOT. """"

Listen ignoramus , Cyprus is NOT a state but an internationally recognised NATION. In whose books is Cyprus a state ?? Cyprus existed before Greece in case you did not know , we have a history that goes back more than 6000 years . You have VP on your side !!!
If you want to post rubbish start a new thread aptly titled BULLSHIT.

Well said miltiades - my exact sentiments on this subject! But I think VP does not exactly support the point of view you are criticising - he is more worried about the "trust" factor when it comes to living together...

[gizzy]

DIOGENIS WROTE :
""""As Greeks from Cyprus, we should be proud of our Greek identity and heritage. We are above all Greeks, with its "goods" and "bads". It is not an issue of choosing NOT to be because your state became independent. I am a Greek that lives in a state called Cyprus, that's all. If tomorrow a Cretan becomes politically independent, will he stop being Greek because he is politically independent? Obviously NOT. """"

OK. If you think Cyprus is not a country but only a "state" then you are saying the exact thing as some people in Turkey does. Just replace the words "Greeks" with "Turks" and "Greece" with "Turkey" then voila!, you get a "bozkurt"- "CcC"(think thats their symbol, not sure) speaking!.
If Cretan becomes politically independent, obviously he wouldnt stop calling himself "greek" but he would stop calling Creta a part of "Greece". Also what Miltiades saying is right, Cpyrus is not a "state" but a "nation". Therefore Cyprus and your "Cretan" example doesnt fit. There is another cypriot population in cyprus, not speaking greek and they are sensitive on some matters especially calling Cyprus a "state" of "Greece". Therefore it would be "selfish" of you to believe Cyprus to be a state of "Greece". I personally would have a problem on calling Cyprus a province of another country, whether its greece or turkey etc... However I wouldnt have a problem living in Greece as I feel like there is no difference in living in any EU country and Greece therefore I wouldnt feel unconfortable unlike some "turkish nationalists". However calling Cyprus a "state" of Greece would annoy some TC and therefore its not a great idea and wrong in the first place.

On the other hand I sometimes think, even though it would have been "impossible"... Maybe if TCs said "ok" to ENOSIS or if GCs said "ok" to TAKSIM, then our past wouldnt have been full of "blood". However isnt the idea of "union with another country" made us "playable" by others and "weak" in the first place? If we are to keep it "strong", we have to be "clever" as well...

[miltiades]

DIOGENIS WROTE :
""""As Greeks from Cyprus, we should be proud of our Greek identity and heritage. We are above all Greeks, with its "goods" and "bads". It is not an issue of choosing NOT to be because your state became independent. I am a Greek that lives in a state called Cyprus, that's all. If tomorrow a Cretan becomes politically independent, will he stop being Greek because he is politically independent? Obviously NOT. """"

Listen ignoramus , Cyprus is NOT a state but an internationally recognised NATION. In whose books is Cyprus a state ?? Cyprus existed before Greece in case you did not know , we have a history that goes back more than 6000 years . You have VP on your side !!!
If you want to post rubbish start a new thread aptly titled BULLSHIT.

Well said miltiades - my exact sentiments on this subject! But I think VP does not exactly support the point of view you are criticising - he is more worried about the "trust" factor when it comes to living together...

BigOz , you know what they say that the devil you know.....
Now let me tell you I trust the T/Cs one billion % , I have so many dear friends , some going back 40 years . Only this Friday gone , I met a charming Cypriot from Ktima , Paphos who came to the UK in 1964 , about my age , met him in my local O.Basi restaurant and was pleasantly surprised that his Greek was as good as mine .He grew up in Paphos and feels the same about his G/C compatriots as I do for my T/C brothers.

We are the same Cypriots with the same culture and the same " Philotimo " RESPECT.

[Diogenes]

Dear Miltiades and BigOz,

please stop mis-represent my views and i said. I said:

"I am a Greek that lives in a state called Cyprus"

I NEVER said "Cyprus is a state of Greece". The words "state" and "country" are interchangable, but the words country and Nation are NOT.

Miltiades, Cyprus is not a nation, so please leave your Neo-Cypriot propaganda out of the blog. By claiming that Cyprus is a nation, you are claiming that the people of it, GC's AND TC's, are of the same nationality. But obviously, this is NOT the case for the TC's. So, be a bit careful with your unsupported claims. Cyprus is a country. By state i meant country, since obviously i never used the phrase "state OF x or y..."
Please learn some english too, and see the difference between nationality, citizenship, nation, state, country, etc. And do read my posts before you speak. Also, moderate your language. Are you allergic to the other point of view?

You said: "Cyprus existed before Greece in case you did not know , we have a history that goes back more than 6000 year".
Do you have any evidence backing your (this) claim???????? If not, do not waste our time with emotional cries. The recorded history we have as of now (and don't worry, i do not base my sources on American books, if that's what you worry about), shows that the Mycenean Greeks were the first (known to us) people that settled here. We still speak their Greek language. Do you have any other evidence of "Cypriots" that lived in the island, who were non-greeks, and we descent from?? Please present the evidence NOW, otherwise do not tell us stories of Halima...

BigOz, same things go for you too. There is NO such thing as the nation of Cypriots. There is a country called Cyprus, which includes Greeks ( (called GC's) and Turks (called TC's), and others, but these people are NOT of common descent as it can be easily seen for the case of Turkish Cypriots.

[Diogenes]

Dear AlexiSS,

I am glad you mentioned the Ottoman occupation (dark era) of the Greeks, because that gives me the opportunity to ask you about the role that the church played during that era. Get this:
They were telling people that it was God's will for us to be slaves, and they officially condemned the revolution in 1821. No wonder why we stayed slaves for 400 years, like no one else in the history of the world.

I do agree with you, though, that things are getting better, at least in the last decade. That, i think, is because Greeks are getting less and less religious i believe. Thta's at least what some international surveys and statistics show.

For example, look at Zuckerman's "Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns", (2005). Or Altemeyers survey. The first gives a 16% atheism for greeks, and the second even higher for Greeks in Cyprus. Look also the small poll i have in this site on the separation of Church and State.

I think people started realizing the hypocrisy of the church, and the fakeness of the "their" so called orthodox christian religion. Have you ever read the Bible? Is that in any way representative of Greek ideals?

By the way, the countries you mentioned have among the highest percentages of atheism, non-religiocity, etc, in Europe, and unlike us, or some of us, (to their honor), they do not identify themselves as Christians. They have clear separation of church and state, and secular politics.

[miltiades]

Well mate let me tell you that Birkibrisly who was born 6 miles away from where I was born , from where my father and my grand father ware born , is closer to me than any f..ng Greek from Salonica , Sparta , Athens or Crete. The fact that he was born a muslim and I a Christian makes no bloody difference . My people are the Cypriots , give no shit if T/C , G/C Armenian or as in in the case of my two children "mongrels " , half Cypriot half English. Cyprus is a nation and a country too.

[Get Real!]

You said: "Cyprus existed before Greece in case you did not know , we have a history that goes back more than 6000 year".
Do you have any evidence backing your (this) claim???????? If not, do not waste our time with emotional cries. The recorded history we have as of now (and don't worry, i do not base my sources on American books, if that's what you worry about), shows that the Mycenean Greeks were the first (known to us) people that settled here.

HEY BOZO, OPEN YOUR EYES REAL WIDE…

http://www.worldheritagesite.org/sites/ ... oitia.html

Now go find the rest of your Greek nationalist traitors like Nikeforos and fuck off back to Greece where you belong... Idiot!