TOTIS MILIOTIS, all I can say is that you are indeed very confused! Unfortunately I do not have the time to try and help you, not that you would have wanted it anyway!
PS: You are free to regard and call yourself a Greek, as much as you like! No one has disputed you or anyone else such a right, neither there is such an issue at stake! The same right that you have to self-identify yourself in any way you wish, exists also for those that wish to regard and self-identity themselves as Cypriots or Turks or Turkish Cypriots or Greek Cypriots or Turkish speaking Cypriots, etc! It is one thing what one wishes to self-identify himself to be, and another thing what the state whose citizenship he posses and /or the international community and law do!
Each type of identification (be it a self-identification one or a State /law based one) have their meaning, usefulness, purpose and application!
YOU ARE SOO SURE YOU ARE GREEKS AND TURKS ARE YOU
by TOTIS MILIOTIS » Wed May 09, 2007 1:40 pm
I do not have the time to try and help you, not that you would have wanted it anyway!
Help me? on what? My freind ,I have a clear picture of myself and for my country's history and today's status. I noticed that your origin is from Lapithos? Interesting ! I assume that if you was able to live for 1000years then you should change many nationalities.Each time a new invation army entered Laphithos then either the invators and their ex patriots, following them ,would be Cypriots or you French, Italian, Turk etc.
Nevertheless what indeed surpised me is that the 10-15 people particapating in this discussion have similar ideas like yours. It seems that you ,as team, have a method to stop any different idea to be puplished in this chat. These "team" methods is very well known around, in life and particularly in politics.
Monolithiki antilipsi ton pragmaton einai poly kako pragma kai gia toys eaytoys mas kai gia tin koinonia.
I am ending my participation in this certain subject and therefore you can continue sending msgs each- other, confirming your agreement in all aspects- I will give a look to see what kind of discussion will be at the time all of you saying the same thing.
My Brgds
See you when I see you
ENGLISH ONLY PLEASE OR OTHER LANGUAGE WITH TRANSLATION.... ANDRI
Help me? on what? My freind ,I have a clear picture of myself and for my country's history and today's status. I noticed that your origin is from Lapithos? Interesting ! I assume that if you was able to live for 1000years then you should change many nationalities.Each time a new invation army entered Laphithos then either the invators and their ex patriots, following them ,would be Cypriots or you French, Italian, Turk etc.
Nevertheless what indeed surpised me is that the 10-15 people particapating in this discussion have similar ideas like yours. It seems that you ,as team, have a method to stop any different idea to be puplished in this chat. These "team" methods is very well known around, in life and particularly in politics.
Monolithiki antilipsi ton pragmaton einai poly kako pragma kai gia toys eaytoys mas kai gia tin koinonia.
I am ending my participation in this certain subject and therefore you can continue sending msgs each- other, confirming your agreement in all aspects- I will give a look to see what kind of discussion will be at the time all of you saying the same thing.
My Brgds
See you when I see you
ENGLISH ONLY PLEASE OR OTHER LANGUAGE WITH TRANSLATION.... ANDRI
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by free_cyprus » Wed May 09, 2007 2:11 pm
i never realised asking a few questions in this forum would create so much problems.
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by free_cyprus » Wed May 09, 2007 2:57 pm
free _ .... lsat time I checked I was a CYPRIOT who speaks Greek and English fluently and orally and in writing proud, proud, proud
i dont have aproblem with that i do have aproblem if you said your greek or turkish cypriot. that leaves us with three option turkishcypriot greek cypriot or turkish and greek speakign cypriots
im a cypriot that speaks one of those language and i hope to perfect two of them in time to come why cos im a cypriot my motherland my fatherland are cyprus.
i dont have aproblem with that i do have aproblem if you said your greek or turkish cypriot. that leaves us with three option turkishcypriot greek cypriot or turkish and greek speakign cypriots
im a cypriot that speaks one of those language and i hope to perfect two of them in time to come why cos im a cypriot my motherland my fatherland are cyprus.
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by bigOz » Fri May 11, 2007 12:45 pm
I was one of the lucky "Turkish Cypriot" ones who went to UK for college and Uni education during early 1970's. The college I attended had both "Greek" and "Turkish" Cypriots. Where I lived in North London our next door neighbours were "Greek Cypriots".
My landlord and her family were "Turkish Cypriots" - yet they were like family with the next door neighbours, walking in and out of each others houses indiscriminately - and the children played like brothers and sisters. Food, cakes, coffee, sweets were exchanged on a constant basis, more so on religious days irrespective of whether Muslim or Greek Orthodox. The sharing also extended to social problems of any member...
At college, we were 8 Turkish Cypriots and 6 Greek Cypriots - I had a Greek girlfriend "Helen" whom I cared for a lot. All Cypriots got together and we formed the "Cypriot Society" at the college. We socialised and supported each other, as well as studying the history of Cyprus and World politics, to have a better understanding of why Cyprus ended up as it did after 1963. The college volleyball team was made up of 2 Greek Cypriots, 4 Turkish Cypriots, one Indian and one Egyptian. We won the inter-college championships for 2 years running...
That was before the 1974 war. When asked of our nationality, we persistently and proudly called ourselves "Cypriot" - trying not to put emphasis on our differeing language or religions. The query whether we were Turkish or Greek Cypriot often came from the questioning party - that left us with the awkward task of insisting we prefer to be called Cypriots!
The above was generally true for most Cypriots living, working, studying in UK. They shared a common culture and social values based on their Cypriotness, hence, although separate at home - they stuck together in a foreign country.
The events of 1974 brought about by the extreemist EOKA members, saw the crimes of 1963-67 being repeated again, stirring up old memories and and re-encarnating mistrust between the two major ethnic Cypriots on the island. It also helped separate the two communities further, at a time when they were starting to forget the events of the decade before and work towards a unified Cyprus accomodating all Cypriots.
So how does one get two ethnic communities live together under one roof in peace? No UN resolution and no Cypriot political leader can impose a lasting solution because of the existance of Greek and Turkish nationalists - often affiliated to conservative ideals.
The only way there will truely be peace in Cyprus is if both sides agree to bring about a cultural revolution to their educational system that will create trust and common ground for both communities to live in harmony. That my friends can only be done at schools and religious establishments.
The schools should stop concentrating on Greek or Turkish history, but teach the very rich Cyprus History. Cultures in Cyprus existed before the name Greek or Turk were invented! Ofr course the world history in general can be taught to a lesser extent, but the priority in the early stages must be on Cypriot history.
The schools should make teaching of the two official languages of the island, Greek and Turkish, compulsory. That way language will no longer a barrier or a form of identification. English can still be taught as a secondary language...
By law, the religious establishments should be banned from promoting ethnic / racial hatred during their masses. It should be made illegal and any perpetuator should be put in prison to set a good example for the rest.
By law, the media should be strictly banned from publishing any remarks / news that can create ethnic or social tension between the two communities. Nationalism should address a Cypriot one and none other.
The two sides should stay in different federal estates, free to cross into each others territoy but self-governing, for at least a decade until the educational and social changes start producing results, and the new breed of Cypriots start entering the circulation in increasing numbers.
Anything short of the above is only idealistic and will always be distorted by extreemists, by religious establishments or historical misrepresentations. The first Cypriot politicians to consider the above seriously will get my vote.
My landlord and her family were "Turkish Cypriots" - yet they were like family with the next door neighbours, walking in and out of each others houses indiscriminately - and the children played like brothers and sisters. Food, cakes, coffee, sweets were exchanged on a constant basis, more so on religious days irrespective of whether Muslim or Greek Orthodox. The sharing also extended to social problems of any member...
At college, we were 8 Turkish Cypriots and 6 Greek Cypriots - I had a Greek girlfriend "Helen" whom I cared for a lot. All Cypriots got together and we formed the "Cypriot Society" at the college. We socialised and supported each other, as well as studying the history of Cyprus and World politics, to have a better understanding of why Cyprus ended up as it did after 1963. The college volleyball team was made up of 2 Greek Cypriots, 4 Turkish Cypriots, one Indian and one Egyptian. We won the inter-college championships for 2 years running...
That was before the 1974 war. When asked of our nationality, we persistently and proudly called ourselves "Cypriot" - trying not to put emphasis on our differeing language or religions. The query whether we were Turkish or Greek Cypriot often came from the questioning party - that left us with the awkward task of insisting we prefer to be called Cypriots!
The above was generally true for most Cypriots living, working, studying in UK. They shared a common culture and social values based on their Cypriotness, hence, although separate at home - they stuck together in a foreign country.
The events of 1974 brought about by the extreemist EOKA members, saw the crimes of 1963-67 being repeated again, stirring up old memories and and re-encarnating mistrust between the two major ethnic Cypriots on the island. It also helped separate the two communities further, at a time when they were starting to forget the events of the decade before and work towards a unified Cyprus accomodating all Cypriots.
So how does one get two ethnic communities live together under one roof in peace? No UN resolution and no Cypriot political leader can impose a lasting solution because of the existance of Greek and Turkish nationalists - often affiliated to conservative ideals.
The only way there will truely be peace in Cyprus is if both sides agree to bring about a cultural revolution to their educational system that will create trust and common ground for both communities to live in harmony. That my friends can only be done at schools and religious establishments.
The schools should stop concentrating on Greek or Turkish history, but teach the very rich Cyprus History. Cultures in Cyprus existed before the name Greek or Turk were invented! Ofr course the world history in general can be taught to a lesser extent, but the priority in the early stages must be on Cypriot history.
The schools should make teaching of the two official languages of the island, Greek and Turkish, compulsory. That way language will no longer a barrier or a form of identification. English can still be taught as a secondary language...
By law, the religious establishments should be banned from promoting ethnic / racial hatred during their masses. It should be made illegal and any perpetuator should be put in prison to set a good example for the rest.
By law, the media should be strictly banned from publishing any remarks / news that can create ethnic or social tension between the two communities. Nationalism should address a Cypriot one and none other.
The two sides should stay in different federal estates, free to cross into each others territoy but self-governing, for at least a decade until the educational and social changes start producing results, and the new breed of Cypriots start entering the circulation in increasing numbers.
Anything short of the above is only idealistic and will always be distorted by extreemists, by religious establishments or historical misrepresentations. The first Cypriot politicians to consider the above seriously will get my vote.
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by free_cyprus » Fri May 11, 2007 12:51 pm
bigOz
i have nothing to add to what you have said except to say i rest my case regarding cyprus. at least one person has a vision like mine in this forum. thank you for your reply
i have nothing to add to what you have said except to say i rest my case regarding cyprus. at least one person has a vision like mine in this forum. thank you for your reply
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by TOTIS MILIOTIS » Fri May 11, 2007 1:40 pm
I was one of the lucky "Turkish Cypriot" ones who went to UK for college and Uni education during early 1970's. The college I attended had both "Greek" and "Turkish" Cypriots. Where I lived in North London our next door neighbours were "Greek Cypriots
Dear T/C , what you are writting can find nobody against exempt a basic thing.
Personally i never had a negative feeling for the possibility Turks and Greeks in Cyprus live peacfully together under the same flag and state.
My objection is on the allegation that You are not Turk and I am not Greek. Many of you, particularly these staying in U.K. insisting to call yourselves as Cypriots in regard to your nationality.
My position is that historical Nationalities are certain and can not be created in modern years.
Your argument is that the nationalist or fanatics at both sides , linked with Greece and Turkey , trying to destroy your identidy which is pure Cypriot.
I can agree on one part of such a position, that fanatics can always create problems when two different cultures , religions, civilizations, try to live together .
However from above point until you reach to accept British propaganta that You are not a Turk and I am not a Greek, the distance is very long.
My clear position about Cyprus case is as follows:
We have a state, result of circumstances of politics, where the majority ae pure Greek citizens (if I am not wromg 800,000 people) and a minority of about 130,000 Turks citizens .
If you really wanted a peacefull and fair solution in Cyprus, then you should accept a state where all the rights of minority is fully protected but the majority can decide.
Instead, in Cyprus we have 800,000 Greeks, reamaining 60,000 T/C and 220,000 Shelters ex mainland Turkey and the last requesting 50/50 control of the culture/religion/land/desision power etc.
My freind , I am not a simple Cypriot but I am a Greek Cypriot because , I speak Greek , I am Ordodox Christian, I am a lier, I feel well when Turkey is going down and down, I am trying to cheat in bussiness , I feel proud about Greek History, I am eating pork, I feel that my race is the best in the world etc etc
I consider that you may have similar feeling why you are Turk.
I do not want to have a "bastard " language - speaking not writting/ I do not want to express my selve in Cyprus language because is a just bastard language mixed up with Turks/Lating/ Greek etc etc
I want to be a person with a clear ID / Greek , speaking Greek, writting Greek, expressing in Greek
Like you may be want in Turkish.
In this chat i saw a msg from a Greek Cypriot saying that his Mastestic has an office in occupied Cyprus- This is the result of the British politics in Cyprus- you are not Greeks You are not Turks - unfortunately THEE IS NOT A CYPRUS NATION/ WE ARE GREEKS-YOU ARE TURKS-THATS ALL
We born in Cyprus - you came as shelters and inavators - Either you can accept the role of a minority or you have to pay the cost to the history./
PS: PLS TRY TO THINK- TURKEY MAINLAND TO APPLY WHAT YOU ARE REQUESTING IN CYPRUS TO KURDS IN SOUTHEAST TURKEY- MAY BE THEN YOU CAN REALISE WHAT YOU ARE REQUESTING GREEKS OF CYPRUS TO ACCEPT
PS2:Some thousands in Thrake Greece asking to be regognised as Turks. the maqority in Cyprus is not allowed to declare themselves as Greeks?
Dear T/C , what you are writting can find nobody against exempt a basic thing.
Personally i never had a negative feeling for the possibility Turks and Greeks in Cyprus live peacfully together under the same flag and state.
My objection is on the allegation that You are not Turk and I am not Greek. Many of you, particularly these staying in U.K. insisting to call yourselves as Cypriots in regard to your nationality.
My position is that historical Nationalities are certain and can not be created in modern years.
Your argument is that the nationalist or fanatics at both sides , linked with Greece and Turkey , trying to destroy your identidy which is pure Cypriot.
I can agree on one part of such a position, that fanatics can always create problems when two different cultures , religions, civilizations, try to live together .
However from above point until you reach to accept British propaganta that You are not a Turk and I am not a Greek, the distance is very long.
My clear position about Cyprus case is as follows:
We have a state, result of circumstances of politics, where the majority ae pure Greek citizens (if I am not wromg 800,000 people) and a minority of about 130,000 Turks citizens .
If you really wanted a peacefull and fair solution in Cyprus, then you should accept a state where all the rights of minority is fully protected but the majority can decide.
Instead, in Cyprus we have 800,000 Greeks, reamaining 60,000 T/C and 220,000 Shelters ex mainland Turkey and the last requesting 50/50 control of the culture/religion/land/desision power etc.
My freind , I am not a simple Cypriot but I am a Greek Cypriot because , I speak Greek , I am Ordodox Christian, I am a lier, I feel well when Turkey is going down and down, I am trying to cheat in bussiness , I feel proud about Greek History, I am eating pork, I feel that my race is the best in the world etc etc
I consider that you may have similar feeling why you are Turk.
I do not want to have a "bastard " language - speaking not writting/ I do not want to express my selve in Cyprus language because is a just bastard language mixed up with Turks/Lating/ Greek etc etc
I want to be a person with a clear ID / Greek , speaking Greek, writting Greek, expressing in Greek
Like you may be want in Turkish.
In this chat i saw a msg from a Greek Cypriot saying that his Mastestic has an office in occupied Cyprus- This is the result of the British politics in Cyprus- you are not Greeks You are not Turks - unfortunately THEE IS NOT A CYPRUS NATION/ WE ARE GREEKS-YOU ARE TURKS-THATS ALL
We born in Cyprus - you came as shelters and inavators - Either you can accept the role of a minority or you have to pay the cost to the history./
PS: PLS TRY TO THINK- TURKEY MAINLAND TO APPLY WHAT YOU ARE REQUESTING IN CYPRUS TO KURDS IN SOUTHEAST TURKEY- MAY BE THEN YOU CAN REALISE WHAT YOU ARE REQUESTING GREEKS OF CYPRUS TO ACCEPT
PS2:Some thousands in Thrake Greece asking to be regognised as Turks. the maqority in Cyprus is not allowed to declare themselves as Greeks?
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by free_cyprus » Fri May 11, 2007 2:33 pm
TOTIS MILIOTIS
what can i say to your post..................you are what you feel your are its simple as that
what can i say to your post..................you are what you feel your are its simple as that
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by TOTIS MILIOTIS » Fri May 11, 2007 2:41 pm
Yes my friend , i am wat i am, i sign my post with my real name, i never delete my posts like others and i will never again allow any of you or else to through me out of my house - never - i was very young then !!!
If you prefer to say to UN :yes i can accept th invators to change my id to change my culture and you can give me a solution is your problem
I am saying to UN that I am Greek majority in the Island and they have to consider this when they are suggesting solutions- other ideas are "GEOPOLITICS" which , as you said I do not understand
kisses
If you prefer to say to UN :yes i can accept th invators to change my id to change my culture and you can give me a solution is your problem
I am saying to UN that I am Greek majority in the Island and they have to consider this when they are suggesting solutions- other ideas are "GEOPOLITICS" which , as you said I do not understand
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