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Postby Kifeas » Mon May 07, 2007 11:15 pm

TOTIS MILIOTIS wrote:Dear Friend,

Unfortunately history is history and facts are facts.

THERE IS NOT A CYPRUS NATIONALITY- THERE IS A GREEK , THERE IS A TURKISH NATIONALITY BUT NOT A CYPRUS NATIONALITY. THERE IS JUST A CYPRUS CITIZENSHIP.

If you support a different base of facts you are historical wrong.

There are not Greek speaking Cypriots and Turkish speaking Cypriots. There are Greeks and Turks.

Who are th Greeks Cyprus?

2000 years BC or what You have in Moulslim religion Greeks from "Mykines" Greece for trade reasons approached the island.They brought their culture, language and they overcomed and overcovered any other calture in the Ilsand.

Who are the Turkish Cypriots?

Ottoman Empire,when invated and occupied Cyprus on 1578AC brought shelters from Turkey, as Turkey did also in 1974, the remains of hese shelters plus some Greeks who became Mouslims in the necessity of survive in an Ottoman Empire state created the minority of Turkish Cypriots.

Above my friend are facts, not result of propaganda or my opinion, just a Historical fact.

Now , Turks are saying that they were under pressure of GREEK CYPRIOTS and , by help of Mainland Turkey they want itnepenent state in Cyprus.

Please be fair and understand why Greeks, and not Greek speaking Cypriots, must give equal or similar rights to a minorty of shelters.

Maybe because of military power of mainland Turkey?

May this is he reason for some decades soft reaction of the Greeks of the Island but history is not created by some decates but by thousands of years and therefore Turkey has secured nothing in the Island.

One "Turkish Cypriot" newspaper asked some years ago how it happens Greece to have rights in Cyprus at the time, as country never invated the Island o occupied the Island.

The Ansewr my friend is that Cyprus original citizens were always Greeks, no need fo invation and shelters. We just born Greeks- You happen to come as visitors after invations.

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TOTIS MILIOTIS, why did you have to write all the above, many of which are no less rubbish than what some Turkish Cypriot fanatics do post here?

What is it that you want to say in the end, and what solution do you want to suggest in Cyprus?

Are you saying that because the Greek Cypriot presence on the island dates long before any Turkish Cypriot presence, that we should get rid of them because they have no right to exist here?

Are you saying that because according to you “there is no Cypriot nationality, no Cypriot people, no Greek Cypriots and no Turkish Cypriots, but only Greeks and Turks;” that there is also -for example- no Australian nationality, no Australian people, no Greek Australians, no Italian Australians, no English Australians, but only Greeks, Italians and English people?

Are you suggesting that -besides solving the Cyprus issue according to your "ideas," that we should also reshape the geo-political map of the modern world on the basis of your "theories?"

You know something TOTIS MILIOTIS? Logic is an ancient Greek word, art and virtue! Logic is something you do not seem to be of much in possession! Following your illogical approach, I should have also claimed that you are not a real Greek person, because you do not possess enough logic!

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Postby LENA » Mon May 07, 2007 11:18 pm

TOTIS MILIOTIS wrote: THERE IS NOT A CYPRUS NATIONALITY- THERE IS A GREEK , THERE IS A TURKISH NATIONALITY BUT NOT A CYPRUS NATIONALITY. THERE IS JUST A CYPRUS CITIZENSHIP.

If you support a different base of facts you are historical wrong.

There are not Greek speaking Cypriots and Turkish speaking Cypriots. There are Greeks and Turks.

Who are th Greeks Cyprus?

2000 years BC or what You have in Moulslim religion Greeks from "Mykines" Greece for trade reasons approached the island.They brought their culture, language and they overcomed and overcovered any other calture in the Ilsand.

Who are the Turkish Cypriots?

Ottoman Empire,when invated and occupied Cyprus on 1578AC brought shelters from Turkey, as Turkey did also in 1974, the remains of hese shelters plus some Greeks who became Mouslims in the necessity of survive in an Ottoman Empire state created the minority of Turkish Cypriots.

Above my friend are facts, not result of propaganda or my opinion, just a Historical fact.

The Ansewr my friend is that Cyprus original citizens were always Greeks, no need fo invation and shelters. We just born Greeks- You happen to come as visitors after invations.


So I got few tips from you for the next time that I will fill papers about my nationality! I will have to put Greek or Cypriot? What is right for you?

So I born in Greece because speak Greek and I born in Turkey because I speak Turkish? What if I speak both of language and English as well and a bit of French and Italian and Russian…where am I from? What is my nationality according to you?

At the beginning you said that Ottoman Empire occupied Cyprus on 1578AC and brought shelters from Turkey so we have Turkish Cypriot and then you said that we have Turkish Cypriot on the island because of the Turkey invasion…so according to you did we have TC on the island before 1974 or not?
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Postby TOTIS MILIOTIS » Mon May 07, 2007 11:34 pm

My Dears, both,

The nationality is somehing which is given to people on basis of certain creteria.

When you are passing the "borders" t visit your occupied villages the Tuks ae giving you a small piece of paper - pls be care hy are equsting NATIONALITY NOT CITITENSHIP.You all Greeks of Cypru are stating "CYPRIOT" WRONG AND WRONG.

Where, in which school in whih historical conclusions you found a Cypriot Nationality? No here- You are doing so by a habit. If you ask the ol Cypiots (Greeks) they will ell you that i the ISLAND ARE TURKS AND CRISTIAN (ASK YOUR GRANDMOTHER TO SEE) they d no ay Turks and Greeks but Turks and Cristians. The BRITISH DID VERY WELL JOB THERE.

About Greek Americand and Australians, can you magine these people to cooperate with NAZIS like "Turkish Cypriots are doing with the invated army? What would be the rection of USA OR Australian state? They ould continue to give them citenship rights, ids, passports?

The problem here my dears are the power. They hav presently the militry power and e, he Greeks in Cyprus, donsing their song, thats all.

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Postby Get Real! » Mon May 07, 2007 11:46 pm

TOTIS MILIOTIS wrote:Where, in which school in whih historical conclusions you found a Cypriot Nationality?


Nationality: The status of belonging to a particular nation by origin, birth, or naturalization.

Citizenship:The status of a citizen with its attendant duties, rights, and privileges.

Now what was that you were saying about Cypriots not having their own nationality?
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Postby LENA » Tue May 08, 2007 12:11 am

Nationality is a relationship between a person and their state of origin, culture, association, affiliation and/or loyalty. Nationality affords the state jurisdiction over the person, and affords the person the protection of the state.

The legal sense of nationality may often mean citizenship, although technical differences do exist between the two. Citizens have rights to participate in the political life of the state of which they are a citizen, such as by voting or standing for election. Nationals need not immediately have these rights; they may often acquire them in due time.

Citizenship is membership in a political community (originally a city or town but now usually a country) and carries with it rights to political participation; a person having such membership is a citizen.


Let me check the list: Yes to all the answer is Cyprus…no space for Greece!! Sorry

I try hard to read your post but doesn’t make any sense…you even said somewhere that in the island are Turks and Christians…so you are saying that the “Turks” is a religion? Because the “Christian” refers to religion statues. You wanted to say Muslims? You wanted to say Greeks? But then you mention the British…Oh I don’t know made up your mind and tell us what you want.

By the way…it seems to me that you know English…so try to type them more careful to make our life easier please. And try again one more time to give correct arguments. Up to know you didn’t say anything right or I didn’t get that right and you are talking about Greece and Turkey. We are talking about Cyprus here…if you are interested!!!
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Postby TOTIS MILIOTIS » Tue May 08, 2007 12:11 am

Dear Ottoman

You are absolutly right.

How this Cyprus citizenship created? by The status of a citizen with its attendant duties, rights, and privileges.

In 1960 above terms created the Cyprus citizenship. Before what?

Even in my Old Cyprus ID the wording is ITHAGENIA NOT NATIONALITY.

Yes when I am passing the "borders" to occupied Cyprus i wright Nationality Greek, not Cypriot since there is not any historical base for a Cyprus Nationality- Cyprus is a state created by the necessity of the circumstances and is not a state created by the free will of its population.
Thr young people must learn that in ours hards the Cyprus flag is a knife in our hard. This flag was not never our dream , "Turkish Cypriots " to control our life or to request equal govern of the Island was our bad dreams.

SOME GREEKS OF THE ISLAND LEARNED OUR CHILDS (some of them) that there are Cypiots not Greeks. We loosed , we accep it , however there is a good point. After almoast 500 years and because of the Turkish invation in 1974 the Greek of the Ilsland for first time the are alone, they have a pure Greek state and government ,without vetos and jokes by a shelters minority .

The majority of the free Cyprus population discovered finally how much Greeks they are.

Unfortunately my friend You are Turks and we are Greeks. For the next 100 years , at least, the differences on our culture, history , socities will not reach an agreement or became close. We are Europeans - You are not (createS pain but is trough). We created Europe and civilization and you created chaos and bridges in small rivers.- Hard but trough.

You are still looking between Mongolia and Europe and Europe reading our books to go on.Hard but trough.

The problem is that history always, but always, is became very good to the right side. Is just take some time

My all respect to your culture but is just different
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Postby karma » Tue May 08, 2007 12:17 am

TOTIS MILIOTIS wrote:Unfortunately my friend You are Turks and we are Greeks. For the next 100 years , at least, the differences on our culture, history , socities will not reach an agreement or became close. We are Europeans - You are not (createS pain but is trough). We created Europe and civilization and you created chaos and bridges in small rivers.- Hard but trough.

You are still looking between Mongolia and Europe and Europe reading our books to go on.Hard but trough.

The problem is that history always, but always, is became very good to the right side. Is just take some time

My all respect to your culture but is just different
brgds


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Dare u eat dolmades , mousakka , kokoretsi, kadaifi from now on..
Dare u dance tsiftetelli...
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Postby TOTIS MILIOTIS » Tue May 08, 2007 12:24 am

I am doing so many years and i will continue the same way

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Postby karma » Tue May 08, 2007 12:26 am

TOTIS MILIOTIS wrote:I am doing so many years and i will continue the same way

brgds


hypocrite...
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Postby Get Real! » Tue May 08, 2007 12:28 am

TOTIS MILIOTIS wrote:Dear Ottoman

You are absolutly right.


I think I'll let Zan handle this one... :lol:
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