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[the_snake_and_the_crane]

If im not wrong - doesnt this whole issue on giving title deeds to refugees depend on whether TC's want to sell that plot of land?

[humanist]

Issy 1956 said

Yes I am a TC and yes I am from a refugee family that was robbed of their property and all their possessions. This was in 1963. We got no help from the ROC (or the TC side either) so we left Cyprus -in fact it was elemnts of the ROC that attacked us. Yes I am complaining about state assets being given to people who dont buy them. The minute the ROC starts to give GC's title deeds it loses the moral high ground and is no different to the TRNC giving settlers title deeds. If you are going to pretend to be a government for all cypriots start behaving like one.
I dont live, occupy or use any property in the TRNC so dont start lecturing me on using stolen property

Issy I believe someone has already posted in relation to information for claiming back your property. So to this end I would encourage you to get into touch with the Ministry of Interior and claim back your land/ property in the RoC. Then you may choose to do as you please. Keeo it as investment, return to occupy or sell it.

[Issy1956]

Humanist,
Thank you for your concern but unfortunately we cannot reclaim our property until a settlement is reached-Our destroyed house (well what remains of it) is actually on the Green Line in the buffer zone in Nicosia and inaccessible from either side. So I guess we qualify as refugees. I was thinking of applying to the ROC for compensation (loss of use for 44 years etc) and to be rehoused in the south just to see what their reaction would be. t would be interesting to see what they say.

[askimwos]

Humanist,
You are using the "legality" of the ROC which as you know is disputed by the TC's (and in the context of the Cyprus problem this is what matters) in the same way that the TC's are using the military supremacy of the Turkish army to carry out illegal acts. ie give title deeds of land belonging to others to people who have no right to have it. The ROC is committing the same mistake as the TRNC.

Issy I would support your comment about the legality of the RoC if TCs instead of declaring a pseudo chose to fight for their return into the RoC administration as they clearly have the right to do. Believe me there is no legal ground for the RoC to refuse to cancel the temporary laws that bypass the constitution with regards to the need to have TCs in the administration. Instead the TC leadership chose the road of aligning themselves with Turkey and being dictated by Turkey.

Please note that what I said about the return of TCs to the RoC does not mean that this will be the final solution. I support a true BBF that will guarantee a real independence and will once and for all untie Cyprus from the motherlands and Britain.

Now as for the deeds, as I said the RoC is a welfare state and is entitled to help those sections of the population that are the most vulnerable. The fact that the RoC cannot help TCs living in the north in the same way is sad but one that is practically impossible as the RoC has no control over the occupied areas.

TCs have to realise that the RoC with all its wrongs is trying to do its best to support all its citizens and where it is feasible (i.e. hospitals, pensions, social benefits, work etc). Surely there are a lot more that need to be done, however, if you look back 3 years ago you will notice that many things have been done.

As for zan, keep on dreaming for direct trade mate. No country in the world is going to allow even the tiniest step towards recognition of a breakaway part of its territory. You complain about economic isolation, but what you are after is recognition from the back door. The RoC offered you a section of the Larnaca port and airport that the TC Chamber of Commerce can pretty much manage autonomously. What Talat did?...he called this offer a hostile offer!!!!!

[askimwos]

Humanist,
Thank you for your concern but unfortunately we cannot reclaim our property until a settlement is reached-Our destroyed house (well what remains of it) is actually on the Green Line in the buffer zone in Nicosia and inaccessible from either side. So I guess we qualify as refugees. I was thinking of applying to the ROC for compensation (loss of use for 44 years etc) and to be rehoused in the south just to see what their reaction would be. t would be interesting to see what they say.

You cannot claim compensation as no refugee can claim compensation from the RoC, since it is Turkey that occupies a third of Cyprus. You can surely apply in order to get a refugee house in the south as you are considered a refugee. You would still be considered a refugee if your house was in the ocuppied and you chose to leave in the free areas.

Bare in mind though that in order to get refugee accomodetion you have to reside in Cyprus and not abroad. the same applies for GC refugees.

[humanist]

Sorry to hear that your land is in the buffer zone mate, I really don't know what that means, perhaps you can apply compensation from both sides and can meet in the middle, however I think you have bukleys chance of compensation if the land is in the buffer zone. You certainly are a refugee by definition as are those greek speaking refugees whose properties are in the buffer zone. If the compensate you they have to compensate everyone, not that it would be a bad thing but I don't believe its on the cards right now. As far as you getting assistance to live in the south well same rules ought to apply accross the board. Give it a go, see what hapens, I would be intersted in finding out. They should not discriminate on the basis of your language/ethnic origin though I beie your ethni origin woulf be cypriot.

[Issy1956]

Askimwos
Turkey was not responsible for making me a refugee-it was Greek Cypriots who attacked us in 63. The fact that Turkey ocuppied 1/3 of Cyprus 10 years after we lwere made regugees is irrelevant in our case.

[askimwos]

Askimwos
Turkey was not responsible for making me a refugee-it was Greek Cypriots who attacked us in 63. The fact that Turkey ocuppied 1/3 of Cyprus 10 years after we lwere made regugees is irrelevant in our case.

I was replying to your post about your house being in the buffer zone. If I were you and I could prove that it was government forces that drove me out of my house in 1963 I would apply to an RoC court and if not satisfied to the ECHR for compensation for the preriod between 1963-74. Why don't you ask for some legal advice?

[zan]

Humanist,
You are using the "legality" of the ROC which as you know is disputed by the TC's (and in the context of the Cyprus problem this is what matters) in the same way that the TC's are using the military supremacy of the Turkish army to carry out illegal acts. ie give title deeds of land belonging to others to people who have no right to have it. The ROC is committing the same mistake as the TRNC.

Issy I would support your comment about the legality of the RoC if TCs instead of declaring a pseudo chose to fight for their return into the RoC administration as they clearly have the right to do. Believe me there is no legal ground for the RoC to refuse to cancel the temporary laws that bypass the constitution with regards to the need to have TCs in the administration. Instead the TC leadership chose the road of aligning themselves with Turkey and being dictated by Turkey.

Please note that what I said about the return of TCs to the RoC does not mean that this will be the final solution. I support a true BBF that will guarantee a real independence and will once and for all untie Cyprus from the motherlands and Britain.

Now as for the deeds, as I said the RoC is a welfare state and is entitled to help those sections of the population that are the most vulnerable. The fact that the RoC cannot help TCs living in the north in the same way is sad but one that is practically impossible as the RoC has no control over the occupied areas.

TCs have to realise that the RoC with all its wrongs is trying to do its best to support all its citizens and where it is feasible (i.e. hospitals, pensions, social benefits, work etc). Surely there are a lot more that need to be done, however, if you look back 3 years ago you will notice that many things have been done.

As for zan, keep on dreaming for direct trade mate. No country in the world is going to allow even the tiniest step towards recognition of a breakaway part of its territory. You complain about economic isolation, but what you are after is recognition from the back door. The RoC offered you a section of the Larnaca port and airport that the TC Chamber of Commerce can pretty much manage autonomously. What Talat did?...he called this offer a hostile offer!!!!!

We dont expect anything from the RoC Askimwos. We have not gotten anything from them but trouble since 1960. We will fight for what we want and it looks like the tide is turning.

[pitsilos]

zan I wouldn't call throwing a bone to the dog every now and then "the tide is turning"