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[askimwos]

Askimwos,
Yes I am a TC and yes I am from a refugee family that was robbed of their property and all their possessions. This was in 1963. We got no help from the ROC (or the TC side either) so we left Cyprus -in fact it was elemnts of the ROC that attacked us. Yes I am complaining about state assets being given to people who dont buy them. The minute the ROC starts to give GC's title deeds it loses the moral high ground and is no different to the TRNC giving settlers title deeds. If you are going to pretend to be a government for all cypriots start behaving like one.
I dont live, occupy or use any property in the TRNC so dont start lecturing me on using stolen property

If your property is in the free areas and you left Cyprus prior to 1974 you are entintled to your property. You should have known that. I suggest you check with the Ministry of Interior in order to get some information. A good start is to get contact numbers from their website.

[Kifeas]

Askimwos,
Yes I am a TC and yes I am from a refugee family that was robbed of their property and all their possessions. This was in 1963. We got no help from the ROC (or the TC side either) so we left Cyprus -in fact it was elemnts of the ROC that attacked us. Yes I am complaining about state assets being given to people who dont buy them. The minute the ROC starts to give GC's title deeds it loses the moral high ground and is no different to the TRNC giving settlers title deeds. If you are going to pretend to be a government for all cypriots start behaving like one.
I dont live, occupy or use any property in the TRNC so dont start lecturing me on using stolen property

Issy, the GCs are not settlers; and the settlers are not citizen's of the RoC -unlike the GC refugees! The RoC is a lawfully established sovereign State entity, unlike the "TRNC!"

If you lost your property and you are a refugee, then you are entittled to apply to the RoC for state aid and a house or state land to built one. There is no law or regulation in the RoC that differentiates between GC and TC citizens of the RoC, provided you also fulfil your obligations towards the State so that you can morally have the right to demand from the State to fulfil its obligations towards you.

[Pyrpolizer]

Askimwos,
Yes I am a TC and yes I am from a refugee family that was robbed of their property and all their possessions. This was in 1963. We got no help from the ROC (or the TC side either) so we left Cyprus -in fact it was elemnts of the ROC that attacked us. Yes I am complaining about state assets being given to people who dont buy them. The minute the ROC starts to give GC's title deeds it loses the moral high ground and is no different to the TRNC giving settlers title deeds. If you are going to pretend to be a government for all cypriots start behaving like one.
I dont live, occupy or use any property in the TRNC so dont start lecturing me on using stolen property

As a matter of principle I totally agree with you Issy, and I am totally against this unsupring of properties or giving state owned land to anyone, because as you very well said state owned land belongs to all Cypriots GCs and TCs.

This totally erroneous policy started from Klerides Government with some deeds and now goes full speed. The RoC was ALWAYS HOSTILE to the refugees and never ever provided anything to us in fact everybody got rich on our loss.

No special treatment, no less taxes, NOTHING to the refugees.

What they are doing now in my opinion the start of legalising the illegalities of the pseudo against us.

NO REFUGEE SHOULD ACCEPT SUCH A TITLE DEED.

[zan]

What as opposed to driving TCs out with a gun.

The difference Zan is that the only state that can hand out deeds leagally is the RoC. This is done according to the law and not by force. I sated above that the RoC also helped TCs who came to the \ro\c. \it clearly cannot help TCs staying in the north in the same way as it has no control over the occupied areas.

Listen to yourself. You have become just another mouthpiece of the RoC propaganda machine. What are you ACTUALLY saying in that piece you wrote. It is as bad as Miltiades selling tactics. "Don't mention the cost until they have signed on the dotted line". You soon mention the fact that if the RoC lets us trade direct that it is the same as recognition but when it comes to telling us that our rights are secure...and the bill is...............give up everything you have fought for and come over to the dark side......i.e.; the RoC you leave that bit out. We are not idiots Askimwos...We make our own decisions and there are people here to safeguard against unscrupulous salesmen.

[zan]

You worry about your loss and we will worry about ours.

[Kifeas]

Askimwos,
Yes I am a TC and yes I am from a refugee family that was robbed of their property and all their possessions. This was in 1963. We got no help from the ROC (or the TC side either) so we left Cyprus -in fact it was elemnts of the ROC that attacked us. Yes I am complaining about state assets being given to people who dont buy them. The minute the ROC starts to give GC's title deeds it loses the moral high ground and is no different to the TRNC giving settlers title deeds. If you are going to pretend to be a government for all cypriots start behaving like one.
I dont live, occupy or use any property in the TRNC so dont start lecturing me on using stolen property

As a matter of principle I totally agree with you Issy, and I am totally against this unsupring of properties or giving state owned land to anyone, because as you very well said state owned land belongs to all Cypriots GCs and TCs.

This totally erroneous policy started from Klerides Government with some deeds and now goes full speed. The RoC was ALWAYS HOSTILE to the refugees and never ever provided anything to us in fact everybody got rich on our loss.

No special treatment, no less taxes, NOTHING to the refugees.

What they are doing now in my opinion the start of legalising the illegalities of the pseudo against us.

NO REFUGEE SHOULD ACCEPT SUCH A TITLE DEED.

Pyro, are you a refugee? Where are you from?

[zan]

Askimwos,
Yes I am a TC and yes I am from a refugee family that was robbed of their property and all their possessions. This was in 1963. We got no help from the ROC (or the TC side either) so we left Cyprus -in fact it was elemnts of the ROC that attacked us. Yes I am complaining about state assets being given to people who dont buy them. The minute the ROC starts to give GC's title deeds it loses the moral high ground and is no different to the TRNC giving settlers title deeds. If you are going to pretend to be a government for all cypriots start behaving like one.
I dont live, occupy or use any property in the TRNC so dont start lecturing me on using stolen property

As a matter of principle I totally agree with you Issy, and I am totally against this unsupring of properties or giving state owned land to anyone, because as you very well said state owned land belongs to all Cypriots GCs and TCs.

This totally erroneous policy started from Klerides Government with some deeds and now goes full speed. The RoC was ALWAYS HOSTILE to the refugees and never ever provided anything to us in fact everybody got rich on our loss.

No special treatment, no less taxes, NOTHING to the refugees.

What they are doing now in my opinion the start of legalising the illegalities of the pseudo against us.

NO REFUGEE SHOULD ACCEPT SUCH A TITLE DEED.

Where have you been re Pyro. I have been waiting for this statement all evening. Bravo. Now the banter can really start.

[humanist]

So I can take it that if you ss no problem in the ROC giving state owned land to GC's only then you approve of the TRNC giving state owned land in the North to TC's. Is this right?

Given that there is no legally recognised state as "trnc" and the land the so called fake regime is calling "trnc". Big fat NO. But it can give as much land to the TSC's if it is TSC land.

[humanist]

Askimwos said

I guess you have noticed the difference between the RoC and the "trnc", the real state always acts within the frame of the law while the pseudo in the anarchy of illegality.

fair post Askimwos

[Issy1956]

Humanist,
You are using the "legality" of the ROC which as you know is disputed by the TC's (and in the context of the Cyprus problem this is what matters) in the same way that the TC's are using the military supremacy of the Turkish army to carry out illegal acts. ie give title deeds of land belonging to others to people who have no right to have it. The ROC is committing the same mistake as the TRNC.