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[Issy1956]

Kifeas,
Has this got anything to do with the forthcoming elections by the way?

[askimwos]

Polis,
The point I am trying to make is that the distribution of state owned land to one section of the population -be it purchased from the TC's or not-before a settlement is not blaanced. We have a right to state owned land as well. Or dont you take us into consideration.

The RoC with all its wrongs is a welfare state. Refugees are a section of the population that were robbed from their property and all their possessions and clearly people that need the support of the state.
Issy, if you are a TC and you are prepared to abandon the pseudo and need financial help to start a new life be sure that the RoC is prepared to provide that help as it did so many times before for TCs that came to the free areas and did not have anywhere to stay because their property was either destroyed or was in a really bad shape for somebody to live in.

If you complain about state owned land given away and you not getting a piece, I suggest you wake up and learn that goods in life are gained by work, work and work. This is in contrast to the "trnc" who was pretty much was paying settlers by handing them out stolen land in order to attract them to the north.

As for the stupid arguments made by zan about the RoC handing out TC land I suggest you carefully read the article you have posted first - in fact the article draws exactly the oposite picture of the one you had inmind. The article clearly states that the deeds could not be given to the refugees where the settlements were build on TC land. In order to overcome this problem the RoC will hand out state owned land or try to buy the land from the TCs that own it in order to give the deeds.

I guess you have noticed the difference between the RoC and the "trnc", the real state always acts within the frame of the law while the pseudo in the anarchy of illegality.

[zan]

Polis,
The point I am trying to make is that the distribution of state owned land to one section of the population -be it purchased from the TC's or not-before a settlement is not blaanced. We have a right to state owned land as well. Or dont you take us into consideration.

The RoC with all its wrongs is a welfare state. Refugees are a section of the population that were robbed from their property and all their possessions and clearly people that need the support of the state.
Issy, if you are a TC and you are prepared to abandon the pseudo and need financial help to start a new life be sure that the RoC is prepared to provide that help as it did so many times before for TCs that came to the free areas and did not have anywhere to stay because their property was either destroyed or was in a really bad shape for somebody to live in.

If you complain about state owned land given away and you not getting a piece, I suggest you wake up and learn that goods in life are gained by work, work and work. This is in contrast to the "trnc" who was pretty much was paying settlers by handing them out stolen land in order to attract them to the north.

What as opposed to driving TCs out with a gun.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,
Its quite simple. State owned land belongs to all of Cypriots. It should not be distributed to any one particular section of population. Yes use it by all means to house refugees, build roads etc but dont hand out title deeds until we have a settlemnt accepted by us all. For example I am a refugee as well-is the ROC going to give me some some state land as well or only to GC's. Who do I apply to?

You are a refugee from where Issy?

As for state land, we are talking about some very insignificant amounts of land, in comparison to the total amount of State owned land (some 25% of the territory of Cyprus.) This is land in which these refugees, (who apparently have completely had all their properties usurped in the north and are now essentially property-less,) have built houses with their own money, and without a title deed of the land they cannot realise their investment, not even to obtain a bank loan. Nevertheless, if and when these people get back their properties in the north, then they will have to return the value of the state land back to the government.

[askimwos]

Kifeas,
Has this got anything to do with the forthcoming elections by the way?

Actually not because this sceme was one that started during the Clerides administration and continues until today.

[Issy1956]

Askimwos,
Yes I am a TC and yes I am from a refugee family that was robbed of their property and all their possessions. This was in 1963. We got no help from the ROC (or the TC side either) so we left Cyprus -in fact it was elemnts of the ROC that attacked us. Yes I am complaining about state assets being given to people who dont buy them. The minute the ROC starts to give GC's title deeds it loses the moral high ground and is no different to the TRNC giving settlers title deeds. If you are going to pretend to be a government for all cypriots start behaving like one.
I dont live, occupy or use any property in the TRNC so dont start lecturing me on using stolen property

[Kifeas]

As for the stupid arguments made by zan about the RoC handing out TC land I suggest you carefully read the article you have posted first - in fact the article draws exactly the oposite picture of the one you had inmind. The article clearly states that the deeds could not be given to the refugees where the settlements were build on TC land. In order to overcome this problem the RoC will hand out state owned land or try to buy the land from the TCs that own it in order to give the deeds.

I guess you have noticed the difference between the RoC and the "trnc", the real state always acts within the frame of the law while the pseudo in the anarchy of illegality.

Zan, why almost everyone in this forum concludes that you are stupid? Is it because you are in fact stupid?

[Issy1956]

Kifeas,
Kaimakli

[zan]

As for the stupid arguments made by zan about the RoC handing out TC land I suggest you carefully read the article you have posted first - in fact the article draws exactly the oposite picture of the one you had inmind. The article clearly states that the deeds could not be given to the refugees where the settlements were build on TC land. In order to overcome this problem the RoC will hand out state owned land or try to buy the land from the TCs that own it in order to give the deeds.

I guess you have noticed the difference between the RoC and the "trnc", the real state always acts within the frame of the law while the pseudo in the anarchy of illegality.

Zan, why almost everyone in this forum concludes that you are stupid? Is it because you are in fact stupid?

I would rather have a second opinion from my own kind Kifeas. You GCs have been calling everything we say stupid for so long that you are brainwashed so badly that even the teachers have forgotten they are telling lies.

Maybe it is also an indicator that I am getting through your propaganda. How’s that Doctor Kifeas.

[askimwos]

What as opposed to driving TCs out with a gun.

The difference Zan is that the only state that can hand out deeds leagally is the RoC. This is done according to the law and not by force. I stated above that the RoC also helped TCs who came to the RoC. It clearly cannot help TCs staying in the north in the same way as it has no control over the occupied areas.