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[askimwos]

You see this is the problem zan. You are not interested in a solution, all you and your papa Dektash is interested is recognition and nothing more. So stop playing the innocent little boy...it is your hands that drip with blood and not mine mate.

[zan]

You see this is the problem zan. You are not interested in a solution, all you and your papa Dektash is interested is recognition and nothing more. So stop playing the innocent little boy...it is your hands that drip with blood and not mine mate.

Vote for the Annan plan


TCs= a resounding YES

GCs= resounding OXI.

How short is your memory. Denktas said "thank god the GCs voted no".

[pitsilos]

Don't care what submarines were doing and what plans were drawn up with whom. What I know is all my life the GC government has made it clear that they think Cyprus is Greek property. I am here to tell them that it is not. Get out of the EU, disband the RoC and lets start again./ The present system will not do. Simple.

Are you Dektash or something? You sound very much like him...

More and more TCs are Askimwos. Does that mean anything to you.

Don't fool yourself! How many TCs are asking for the RoC to get out of the Eu and disband? Go ask them if they want to lose their EU citizen status zan. Sometimes you amaze me with your "blindness"..

How much will that change when other routes are found. You seem to think that you hold all the cards and that is what gives you the right to demand what ever you want. We have Turkey and soon with any luck we will look more to the east. This is not a threat but the only option left to us. America and the UK too maybe. Who knows. Certainly not you.

look to east?

have you actually thought about this one zan? and what have you got to offer to the east?

and you better forget at looking at the us or the uk, they trying to handball you to the eu ffs, but the eu ain't crazy

[humanist]

Zan said

Where does the RoC fit in that senario Humanist. You once said that they are greatly to blame for the present situation but now you too toe the party line. You people think you can have it both ways and stuff us all.

Zan I have not said that the RoC is greatly to blame, I remember my posts well. I said that the actions of some greek speaking cypiots in the past had caused harm, alianation, discrimination and exposed turlish speaking cypriots to experience racicm. I also said that the Roc is not doing enough to support turkish speaking cypriots to be fully included in the cypriot society now occupying the southrn part of the Island.

However, as you said it is getting boring listenning to the same old same old. We can stay there and argue about something we cannot change or we could say sorry to each other for the past and come together join as one peopls to develop laws, regulations, and policies to ensure equal & SHARED political representation, societal and international participation.

[miltiades]

Will you people realize that that is not a threat to us and perhaps stop trying to scare us out of our pants. We are Turkish by birth and if we cannot be Turkish Cypriots then that is the next thing on our wish list. You can only be sure of one thing and that is we do not want to become Greek. Not that it is a bad thing but because we simply are not.

In that case - why dont you just go live in Turkey? You obviously have no regard for Cyprus and use the whole Cyprus problem issue as a means to 'getting one over on the Greeks'.

Because I AM FROM CYPRUS and as soon as your puppet government shows me that it really wants me then and only then will I think about talking with the RoC. You do not own the island as long as I am alive.

Zan it pleases me no end to hear you say """"I AM FROM CYPRUS and as soon as your puppet government shows me that it really wants me then and only then will I think about talking with the RoC. You do not own the island as long as I am alive."""
Puppet government however isn't applicable since it was elected by the people not installed by a foreign power ,"" puppet's" normal meaning of the word.

However the fact that YOU ARE FROM CYPRUS is an indication that you share with me and other reasonable Cypriots a common heritage , that of Cyprus. Particularly happy to know that you , as a Cypriot , believes that the island is not owned just by the G/Cs ,and you make this point poignantly by the addition of """"as long as I am alive.""" You hit the nail on the head Zan , because the entire island belongs to its people you and I included , the main reason that no responsible Cypriot will EVER accept the annexation to Turkey of a part pf the same island that you emphasize the points that ""as long as I am alive."" ""You do not own the island """

We agree on this one Zan that our island belongs to us because as you say " Because I AM FROM CYPRUS """

Your best post so far .

[zan]

Don't care what submarines were doing and what plans were drawn up with whom. What I know is all my life the GC government has made it clear that they think Cyprus is Greek property. I am here to tell them that it is not. Get out of the EU, disband the RoC and lets start again./ The present system will not do. Simple.

Are you Dektash or something? You sound very much like him...

More and more TCs are Askimwos. Does that mean anything to you.

Don't fool yourself! How many TCs are asking for the RoC to get out of the Eu and disband? Go ask them if they want to lose their EU citizen status zan. Sometimes you amaze me with your "blindness"..

How much will that change when other routes are found. You seem to think that you hold all the cards and that is what gives you the right to demand what ever you want. We have Turkey and soon with any luck we will look more to the east. This is not a threat but the only option left to us. America and the UK too maybe. Who knows. Certainly not you.

look to east?

have you actually thought about this one zan? and what have you got to offer to the east?

and you better forget at looking at the us or the uk, they trying to handball you to the eu ffs, but the eu ain't crazy

I think taking in Greece and the RoC s evidence to the contrary

[zan]

Zan said

Where does the RoC fit in that senario Humanist. You once said that they are greatly to blame for the present situation but now you too toe the party line. You people think you can have it both ways and stuff us all.

Zan I have not said that the RoC is greatly to blame, I remember my posts well. I said that the actions of some greek speaking cypiots in the past had caused harm, alianation, discrimination and exposed turlish speaking cypriots to experience racicm. I also said that the Roc is not doing enough to support turkish speaking cypriots to be fully included in the cypriot society now occupying the southrn part of the Island.

However, as you said it is getting boring listenning to the same old same old. We can stay there and argue about something we cannot change or we could say sorry to each other for the past and come together join as one peopls to develop laws, regulations, and policies to ensure equal & SHARED political representation, societal and international participation.

Well I am sorry to hear that because when you said that you would be writing to the RoC to complain against their actions against the inclusion in many aspects of life, I took it as you were equally disgusted in this matter as I am. Well clarity is a good thing and now I can see that you also are trying to sell us a corrupt government then we can stop the formalities.


The RoC is not for my people or me. It neither wants us nor caters for us. We will not accept it in any way. See the UN for details.

[pitsilos]

Don't care what submarines were doing and what plans were drawn up with whom. What I know is all my life the GC government has made it clear that they think Cyprus is Greek property. I am here to tell them that it is not. Get out of the EU, disband the RoC and lets start again./ The present system will not do. Simple.

Are you Dektash or something? You sound very much like him...

More and more TCs are Askimwos. Does that mean anything to you.

Don't fool yourself! How many TCs are asking for the RoC to get out of the Eu and disband? Go ask them if they want to lose their EU citizen status zan. Sometimes you amaze me with your "blindness"..

How much will that change when other routes are found. You seem to think that you hold all the cards and that is what gives you the right to demand what ever you want. We have Turkey and soon with any luck we will look more to the east. This is not a threat but the only option left to us. America and the UK too maybe. Who knows. Certainly not you.

look to east?

have you actually thought about this one zan? and what have you got to offer to the east?

and you better forget at looking at the us or the uk, they trying to handball you to the eu ffs, but the eu ain't crazy

I think taking in Greece and the RoC s evidence to the contrary

your statement was for turkey to look east, my question was about turkey looking to the east. what does the RoC and Greese have to do with it?

now i will ask you again. what does it mean to you, when you say turkey is looking east? and for sure you must acknowledge that the us and the uk don't want to have a bar of turkey.

what woud turkey gain in looking or offer to the east, and by east what countries are you refering to?

i say this coz, i lived in the east, best part of 15 years and i have first hand experience with the east.

ps. if the eu wanted turkey in they would have put her in a long time ago. i don't think they would even consider greece and the roc as an obstacle. why do you think the eu doesn't want turkey zan, you think you can give us another scenario?

[humanist]

Zan said,

Well I am sorry to hear that because when you said that you would be writing to the RoC to complain against their actions against the inclusion in many aspects of life, I took it as you were equally disgusted in this matter as I am. Well clarity is a good thing and now I can see that you also are trying to sell us a corrupt government then we can stop the formalities.


The RoC is not for my people or me. It neither wants us nor caters for us. We will not accept it in any way. See the UN for details.

Zan, there are some things in recent times that had come up that I felt were not appropriate, for example Papadopoulos' insistance in not meeting Talat. To that end the RoC or at least someone in the government has received correspondence from me. I have also written to the RoC expressing my concerns in relation to openning the political arena to Turkish speaking cypriots as per 1960's consitution, I have written to the government to express my views in relation to turkish lunguage being taught at every educational intitution in all grades, I have expressed disapointment thta the turkish language is not represented in road signs, hospitals etc.

Now I am not going to buy into your victim games, so as far as me trying to sell you off to anyone that is entirely your miguided interpretation. I am advocating for inclussion of turkish speaking cypriots in the cypriot community as it exists in the south, (the north is out of the RoC's control, unfortunately not much can be done there). To this end I have written to the government of Cyprus on more than one occasion to request that financial assistance monetary or otherwise ought to be given to those turkish speaking cypriots who wish to return and reclaim their property in the south, I have requested that in order to encourage turkish cypiot economic integraton into the EU that the RoC give speacial tax incentives to any turkish speaking cyriot business person who wishes to bring ther busines to the south for integration to EU as CYPIOTS not as Turkish/ Greek Cypriots but as CYPRIOTS under the EU umbrella.

Thanks to you I have become more understanding and mindful of the issues faced by turkish speaking cypriots in relation to safety. To this end I appreciate not all wish to return and rihtly so... Therefore I have recomended in more than one occasion that a register of those refugees who will not return, so that the governemnet can compensate them to allow that land to re-settle turkish cypriots who are currently occupying refugee property, thanks to you I ahve understood and becoame more sensitive to the issues faced by settlers to this end I have sugested for a committee to be set up and look at these families indivdually, I have also stated on this forum that the number of settlers staying ought to go to a referendum to turkish speaking cypriots to decided the number of settlers to stay if any, as it is their culture that is at risk at the moment.

So please do not tell me that I am trying to sell you to anyone Zan. Now I do not wish to enter in to the same old discussion about who has suffered most at the hands of whom, like you said in one of your posts its getting boring. I don't really care if it is boring or not. What I can see at an age 39 is that we have been talking about that shit for 32 years and we have not moved a single bit, on the Island of Cyprus in 2007 there are people who are refugees and we have people under economic isolation. I want that to stop. The only way that we can solve those two issues is through a unification. When we agree that, we want to stop the suffering of our people then we will act accordingly. In the meantime we stay in the 60's and debate the facts we cannot change over and over and bore more people within the international, national, community and society level. Or we could enter into some fruitful discussion and solve the problem

However the problem does not lie there, it lies with the Turkish speaking Cypriot regime and leadership who one day they want unification and the other they want partition. Unfortunately one cannot tango alone. so when your want to join the same dance lets negotiate who is going to take on which step.

[miltiades]

Zan said,

Well I am sorry to hear that because when you said that you would be writing to the RoC to complain against their actions against the inclusion in many aspects of life, I took it as you were equally disgusted in this matter as I am. Well clarity is a good thing and now I can see that you also are trying to sell us a corrupt government then we can stop the formalities.


The RoC is not for my people or me. It neither wants us nor caters for us. We will not accept it in any way. See the UN for details.

Zan, there are some things in recent times that had come up that I felt were not appropriate, for example Papadopoulos' insistance in not meeting Talat. To that end the RoC or at least someone in the government has received correspondence from me. I have also written to the RoC expressing my concerns in relation to openning the political arena to Turkish speaking cypriots as per 1960's consitution, I have written to the government to express my views in relation to turkish lunguage being taught at every educational intitution in all grades, I have expressed disapointment thta the turkish language is not represented in road signs, hospitals etc.

Now I am not going to buy into your victim games, so as far as me trying to sell you off to anyone that is entirely your miguided interpretation. I am advocating for inclussion of turkish speaking cypriots in the cypriot community as it exists in the south, (the north is out of the RoC's control, unfortunately not much can be done there). To this end I have written to the government of Cyprus on more than one occasion to request that financial assistance monetary or otherwise ought to be given to those turkish speaking cypriots who wish to return and reclaim their property in the south, I have requested that in order to encourage turkish cypiot economic integraton into the EU that the RoC give speacial tax incentives to any turkish speaking cyriot business person who wishes to bring ther busines to the south for integration to EU as CYPIOTS not as Turkish/ Greek Cypriots but as CYPRIOTS under the EU umbrella.

Thanks to you I have become more understanding and mindful of the issues faced by turkish speaking cypriots in relation to safety. To this end I appreciate not all wish to return and rihtly so... Therefore I have recomended in more than one occasion that a register of those refugees who will not return, so that the governemnet can compensate them to allow that land to re-settle turkish cypriots who are currently occupying refugee property, thanks to you I ahve understood and becoame more sensitive to the issues faced by settlers to this end I have sugested for a committee to be set up and look at these families indivdually, I have also stated on this forum that the number of settlers staying ought to go to a referendum to turkish speaking cypriots to decided the number of settlers to stay if any, as it is their culture that is at risk at the moment.

So please do not tell me that I am trying to sell you to anyone Zan. Now I do not wish to enter in to the same old discussion about who has suffered most at the hands of whom, like you said in one of your posts its getting boring. I don't really care if it is boring or not. What I can see at an age 39 is that we have been talking about that shit for 32 years and we have not moved a single bit, on the Island of Cyprus in 2007 there are people who are refugees and we have people under economic isolation. I want that to stop. The only way that we can solve those two issues is through a unification. When we agree that, we want to stop the suffering of our people then we will act accordingly. In the meantime we stay in the 60's and debate the facts we cannot change over and over and bore more people within the international, national, community and society level. Or we could enter into some fruitful discussion and solve the problem

However the problem does not lie there, it lies with the Turkish speaking Cypriot regime and leadership who one day they want unification and the other they want partition. Unfortunately one cannot tango alone. so when your want to join the same dance lets negotiate who is going to take on which step.

A very sensible and constructive post , Humanist , I doubt however that Zan and those that share his stated vision of a new world with Turkey would be impressed. We , time and time again , stress the need to reconcile , we believe in one nation for all Cypriots , we gave up on Enosis years ago , and a very good decision it was too , but Zan influenced by the continuing propaganda manifested in order to excuse the division of our island and the continued occupation of a part of is adamant that unless the 200 thousand displaced Cypriots acknowledge what terrible evil Cypriots they were , and until the RoC liquidates itself having abandoned European membership , and pay proper homage to Turkey , our Saviour !! , then and only then will the Zans be content.Well it ain't going to happen mate . Turkey is considered by the vast majority of Cypriots and by the International community at large as an occupying power, and the trnc as an illegal entity. Your nation is our nation , your no less Cypriot than I'm , go and demand your legal citizenship , thousands have already and are seeing the benefits.