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The failure to kill Makarios during the coup meant that Sampson or whoever puppet they chose to put their could not sign the agreement of double Enosis as only the elected president could do this. Of course Makarios would never have done something like this.

This theory is self defeating because had Makarios lived he wouldn't have signed you say but had he died there would be no elected president to sign, so how could a "double enosis" ever be accomplished with no signature either way?

[askimwos]

The failure to kill Makarios during the coup meant that Sampson or whoever puppet they chose to put their could not sign the agreement of double Enosis as only the elected president could do this. Of course Makarios would never have done something like this.

This theory is self defeating because had Makarios lived he wouldn't have signed you say but had he died there would be no elected president to sign, so how could a "double enosis" ever be accomplished with no signature either way?

In a political vacuum anything could happen. The Greek Junta was signing treaties at the time and yet it was not elected.

[zan]

Will you people realize that that is not a threat to us and perhaps stop trying to scare us out of our pants. We are Turkish by birth and if we cannot be Turkish Cypriots then that is the next thing on our wish list. You can only be sure of one thing and that is we do not want to become Greek. Not that it is a bad thing but because we simply are not.

In that case - why dont you just go live in Turkey? You obviously have no regard for Cyprus and use the whole Cyprus problem issue as a means to 'getting one over on the Greeks'.

Because I AM FROM CYPRUS and as soon as your puppet government shows me that it really wants me then and only then will I think about talking with the RoC. You do not own the island as long as I am alive.

[zan]

Zan said

So all the illegalities and atrocities that the GCs did go unpunished and the TCs have to pay the bill again. This is getting really really boring......Still...Gives us something to fight against.

dito , dito, dito,

You don't know how bored I get listenning to the same tune over and over again, abut who suffered more inthe past 50 years in Cyprus. That is why I do not engage in any historical stuff prior to my birth.

Once someone said to me,

simple minds speak of people
intelligent minds speak of events
enlightened being talk about ideas

I choos to go the later, because 32 years of the same shit we still have people suffering the impact of economic and social isolations and we have refugees.

Where does the RoC fit in that senario Humanist. You once said that they are greatly to blame for the present situation but now you too toe the party line. You people think you can have it both ways and stuff us all.

[zan]

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Zan, actually the scenario that Pyr described is one that is accepted by many Cypriot and International political analysts. Makarios Drousiotis a well known historian has published a book regarding this.
It seems that the whole Coup-Invation thing was pre agreed between the Greek Junta, the Turkey and the CIA. The agreed scenario was to kill Makarios, Turkey to invade from the North and Greece from the South and establish a pre agreed ceasefire line more or less to where the Green Line today is.

The failure to kill Makarios during the coup meant that Sampson or whoever puppet they chose to put their could not sign the agreement of double Enosis as only the elected president could do this. Of course Makarios would never have done something like this.

This scenario is supported by a number of events that happened during those days:

a) why were the greek submarines that were patroling the northcoast of Cyprus ordered to abandon the area. According to one of the submarines captain, if ordered the two submarines would have easily sank 90% of the landing fleet and thus leading to the cancelation of the landing.

b) GC soldiers who went to man the GC heavy antiship artilery in Pentadaktylos the night before the landing found out that all the moving parts of the guns were missing and that they couldn't fire. Some National Guard Greek officers probably removed them the previous night.

c) Greek airforce planes stationed in the island of Rhodes (30 minutes from Cyprus) were grounded for 3 days with the pilots in their cockpits and never got permition to take of.

d) According to Nicosia residents British UN soldiers were puting signs on the land posts directing the Turkish troops as to where to stop.

e) The UN soldiers (Canadians and Argentinian) only fought in two instances. To keep the Nicosia airport and to keep the Ledra Palace hotel. These were the two main entrances to the GC section of Nicosia. Obviously Turkey attempted to go beyond what was agreed and thus the UN troops actually engaging in the fight.

According to historians the Greek Junta propably collapsed in the face of the failure to kill Makarios. This meant that the plan could not go ahead. On the other hand it seems that Turkey was not prepared to leave the chance go and acted alone.

To be honest I don't know whether this is actually what happened and I am sure we will not find anytime soon. I have to admit though that this is a possible scenario that ties well with the antics of Kissinger and the CIA of the time.

Don't care what submarines were doing and what plans were drawn up with whom. What I know is all my life the GC government has made it clear that they think Cyprus is Greek property. I am here to tell them that it is not. Get out of the EU, disband the RoC and lets start again./ The present system will not do. Simple.

[askimwos]

Don't care what submarines were doing and what plans were drawn up with whom. What I know is all my life the GC government has made it clear that they think Cyprus is Greek property. I am here to tell them that it is not. Get out of the EU, disband the RoC and lets start again./ The present system will not do. Simple.

Are you Dektash or something? You sound very much like him...

[zan]

Don't care what submarines were doing and what plans were drawn up with whom. What I know is all my life the GC government has made it clear that they think Cyprus is Greek property. I am here to tell them that it is not. Get out of the EU, disband the RoC and lets start again./ The present system will not do. Simple.

Are you Dektash or something? You sound very much like him...

More and more TCs are Askimwos. Does that mean anything to you.

[zan]

Don't care what submarines were doing and what plans were drawn up with whom. What I know is all my life the GC government has made it clear that they think Cyprus is Greek property. I am here to tell them that it is not. Get out of the EU, disband the RoC and lets start again./ The present system will not do. Simple.

Are you Dektash or something? You sound very much like him...

Besides that you are sounding more and more like Makarios. " His mouth drips with honey and his hands drip with blood". Is that offensive to you because sounding like Denktas is not to me, that is if you intended to insult me. Try again.

[askimwos]

Don't care what submarines were doing and what plans were drawn up with whom. What I know is all my life the GC government has made it clear that they think Cyprus is Greek property. I am here to tell them that it is not. Get out of the EU, disband the RoC and lets start again./ The present system will not do. Simple.

Are you Dektash or something? You sound very much like him...

More and more TCs are Askimwos. Does that mean anything to you.

Don't fool yourself! How many TCs are asking for the RoC to get out of the Eu and disband? Go ask them if they want to lose their EU citizen status zan. Sometimes you amaze me with your "blindness"..

[zan]

Don't care what submarines were doing and what plans were drawn up with whom. What I know is all my life the GC government has made it clear that they think Cyprus is Greek property. I am here to tell them that it is not. Get out of the EU, disband the RoC and lets start again./ The present system will not do. Simple.

Are you Dektash or something? You sound very much like him...

More and more TCs are Askimwos. Does that mean anything to you.

Don't fool yourself! How many TCs are asking for the RoC to get out of the Eu and disband? Go ask them if they want to lose their EU citizen status zan. Sometimes you amaze me with your "blindness"..

How much will that change when other routes are found. You seem to think that you hold all the cards and that is what gives you the right to demand what ever you want. We have Turkey and soon with any luck we will look more to the east. This is not a threat but the only option left to us. America and the UK too maybe. Who knows. Certainly not you.