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[zan]

[miltiades]

Interesting post by Murataga :
"""""And yet it is those who set in train all this folly and mischief and evil who were rewarded for their aggression against us by being accorded recognition in 1964 as the legitimate “Government of Cyprus”. The U.N and its member states (with the honorable exception of Turkey) still persists in that error. The presentation that the GC rump of the bicommunal government established in 1960 constitutes the lawful Government of Cyprus is and has always been untrue in fact, invalid in law, and inconsistent with the recognition by the three guarantors of the Cyprus Republic at Geneva on 30 July 1974 of “the existence in practice in the Republic of Cyprus of two autonomous administrations, that of the GC community and that of the TC community’. """""

So two hundred thousand Cypriots are forced at gunpoint to run for their lives , and yet for this " aggression"
the RoC is internationally recognised as the legitimate government of Cyprus , "illegally" though according to you , therefore the UN the EU and all other notable international bodies are contemptibly acting ilegaly in recognising an illegal nation, and only Turkey is acting withing the framework of the law which she maintains by keeping 40 thousand troops on the island in order that she supervises the illegal RoC. !!
WHAT RUBBISH DO THEY FEED YOU ! Turkey is a foreign nation in Cyprus just as Greece is ,Cyprus is partly occupied by Turkey , not my words , but the words of the international community , I will be the first to accept otherwise should the UN or Europe support what you and Turkey are saying. You can not just dismiss the The UN or the EU or Britain , a strong supporter of Turkey but nevertheless will not allow direct flights because it considers such flights illegal. The only option for peace and stability is to accept and abide by International legalities , claim all of Cyprus as your nation provided you claim it as Cypriots , T/Cs or G/Cs are primarily Cypriots. Your efforts ( singular you ) to undermine the prospects of reconciliation are harming all Cypriots not only the T/Cs but the G/Cs .

[zan]

Don't worry Mlitiades...Turkey is giving over to the people that deserve it most....The Cypriots.....The Turkish Cypriots.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

So all the illegalities and atrocities that the GCs did go unpunished

As for Murataga...

We did not embark on a lunatic adventure to secure, not independence for Cyprus, but its subjection to another state.

Yes you did - Turkish Cypriot paramilitaries the TMT's strive to achieve segregation or basically Enosis (union) with Turkey. They went around causing intercommunal violance since the 1950's.

The rest of your post - like the piece quoted above - is all bullshit.

[zan]

So all the illegalities and atrocities that the GCs did go unpunished

Most of those are fabricated and willingly believed by nationalist morons like yourself.

As for Murataga...

We did not embark on a lunatic adventure to secure, not independence for Cyprus, but its subjection to another state.

Yes you did - Turkish Cypriot paramilitaries the TMT's strive to achieve segregation or basically Enosis (union) with Turkey. They went around causing intercommunal violance since the 1950's.

The rest of your post - like the piece quoted above - is all bullshit.

Which one are you being now....The snake or the crane.......

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Don't worry Mlitiades...Turkey is giving over to the people that deserve it most....The Cypriots.....The Turkish Cypriots.

If Turkey's current occupation in Cyprus continues - in 50 years time THERE WILL BE NO SUCH THING AS TURKISH CYPRIOTS

They will have lost all of there remaining culture by then and considered Turks.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

both..

[zan]

Don't worry Mlitiades...Turkey is giving over to the people that deserve it most....The Cypriots.....The Turkish Cypriots.

If Turkey's current occupation in Cyprus continues - in 50 years time THERE WILL BE NO SUCH THING AS TURKISH CYPRIOTS

They will have lost all of there remaining culture by then and considered Turks.

Will you people realize that that is not a threat to us and perhaps stop trying to scare us out of our pants. We are Turkish by birth and if we cannot be Turkish Cypriots then that is the next thing on our wish list. You can only be sure of one thing and that is we do not want to become Greek. Not that it is a bad thing but because we simply are not.

[Pyrpolizer]

I acknowledge your concern and hope that you will listen to mine with an open heart. It is not we, the TCs who brought violence and bloodshed to the RoC. We did not embark on a lunatic adventure to secure, not independence for Cyprus, but its subjection to another state. We did not accept the independence agreements in 1960 with the intention of dishonoring them as soon as we could. We did not prepare and try to impose a clandestine plan to overthrow the Republic and to abrogate the treaties on which it was based. We did not attack and try to annihilate by force the other Cypriot people. We did not persecute them for years afterwards with savage inhumanity and heartless repression when they refused to succumb. We did not secretly bring into the island thousands of foreign troops in an attempt to create a fait accompli of its annexation to another State. And, in the end, it was not we who either provoked or launched the bloody coup d`etat in 1974 which compelled Turkey to intervene in Cyprus to stop the bloodshed and protect the Cypriots from a regime of terror headed by a homicidal maniac. If it is a compensation that is being asked from us for securing ourselves in a zone from all this, than the people who have committed these atrocities and illegalities shall be prepared to provide us with one aswell.

And yet it is those who set in train all this folly and mischief and evil who were rewarded for their aggression against us by being accorded recognition in 1964 as the legitimate "Government of Cyprus". The U.N and its member states (with the honorable exception of Turkey) still persists in that error. The presentation that the GC rump of the bicommunal government established in 1960 constitutes the lawful Government of Cyprus is and has always been untrue in fact, invalid in law, and inconsistent with the recognition by the three guarantors of the Cyprus Republic at Geneva on 30 July 1974 of "the existence in practice in the Republic of Cyprus of two autonomous administrations, that of the GC community and that of the TC community’.

We the TCs recognize and accept the need for a negotiated settlement. Our goodwill has been amply demonstrated by our repeated assurances that the declaration of our indepenedent State will not stand in the way of negotiating the establishment of a bi-communal bi-zonal federal state for the whole of Cyprus. But what we can not and will not yield on is our right to independence and to decide our future for ourselves in the absence of agreement on such a federal state. That is our fundamental and inalienable right.

Murataga you made your position perfectly clear. Believe me I can understand you FULLY. What if however all those things you wrote are simply false or one side of the truth?

You say it is not the TCs who brought violence and bloodshed to the RoC. The fact is my friend that it is the TCs who did the first massive massacre against the GCs in Kontemenos in 1958.After the establishment of RoC the GCs were totally armless until 1962. Go do some reading at the Cyprus conflict web site to verify this. However the TC side was importing whole shiploads from Turkey.There is evidence for that. Why tell me?

The fact is my friend that your side was working for Taksim the same way our side was working for Enosis. It is a myth that Taksim was a reaction to Enosis. It is true that the Enosis dream preceeded the Taksim, but the TCs were more realistic, and just brought their Taksim idea after they realised that the British would leave. The enclaves were prepared by Kutchuk to the northern part of Nicoia well before 1963. When the TC ministers left their offices there were tons of documents and maps left in the office of the TC Minister of Agriculture showing Cyprus divided as per todays division and plans with signatures showing how this would be achieved. This was your own "TurkishAkrita Plan".

What happened during those years from 1963-1967 was exactly the result of that fight between Enosists and Taksimists. The Tc side was obviously the weakest and suffered the most. I do acknowledge the suffering of the TC people during those years and I admit I feel very sorry for that. However I do not admit it had something to do with the general GC people, and whatever feelings of so called hate for the TCs just because they were Turks as that guy Eric Dayi tries to convince you.

You say the GC side imported 20,000 Greek soldiers which is again wrong. They were only 10,000 (this is also documented) and by 1967 Makarios was forced to send them back to Greece after Turkey threatened to intervene. From 1968 onwards Makarios realised Enosis was completely impossible and slowly slowly the situation was heading towards normal in fact by 1972 Makarios and Denktash agreed to almost everything.
Unfortunately for us the Greek Junta did not allow Makarios to finalise the deal (does it ring a bell concerning your todays dependence on Turkey?) and in 1974 they staged the coup to have a quick Enosis. Believe it or not the coup and Turkeys "intervention" were all agreed between Turkey-CIA-and the Greek Junta. The agreement was for turkey to take a pre-agreed part in the North and that part be annexed to Turkey and the remaining to Greece. Turkey did not honour the agreement and took much more- including Varoshia. (Think about why Varoshia is still kept vacant).
You talk of Sampson getting in power in 1974 and threatening he would annihilate the TCs and that being enough reason for Turkey to Invade. Lets leave aside the fact that everything regarding the coup etc was staged. Samson fell within 5 days, and Klerides took over and at the same time everybodu heard that Makarios was alive and would return. Yet the Invasion occured 2 days later after Sampson fell, without even one TC even been hurt during those 7 days…

You tend to ignore that Invasions through sea cannot occur within 7 days unless they are pre-planned. How many months before do you think Turkey knew it and was preparing herself?

If you view the situation globally then you will realise that between 1960-74 BOTH communities were responsible, however from 1974 until today the only guilty party is TURKEY. Turkey my friend did not invade to save you. She invaded to take a piece of Cyprus. And don’t tell me the years from 1974 until today were so peaceful. You don’t know how many times and how Turkey was constantly provoking to start a new war and take all of Cyprus. This did not happen not because Turkey had not planned it or want it, it did not happen because the GCs yielded.

From 2004 however the tables started reversing. We will see what happens.

[zan]

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