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the_snake_and_the_crane
did you hear a bout argentina and chile have democraticaly decided to join spain and become part of spain

[Simon]

I am in total agreement with you snake and the crane.

[free_cyprus]

simon
i will ask you the same question see if you heard of it ....................................

did you hear a bout argentina and chile have democraticaly decided to join spain and become part of spain
have you heard about it?????????????????

[askimwos]

snake_and_the _crane correct me if wrong but I belive what you actually wanted to say is that the call for self determination that would have lead to enosis pre 1960 need to be seen in the context of the then era and political situation on the island - GCs were the majority and TCs the miority of Cypriot people.
The notion of communities with equal political rights was established in the 1960 constitution.

I don't believe that you are a fan of enosis, are you?

[Viewpoint]

snake_and_the _crane correct me if wrong but I belive what you actually wanted to say is that the call for self determination that would have lead to enosis pre 1960 need to be seen in the context of the then era and political situation on the island - GCs were the majority and TCs the miority of Cypriot people.
The notion of communities with equal political rights was established in the 1960 constitution.

I don't believe that you are a fan of enosis, are you?

And didnt we TCs also have the heinsight of the Crete example to look back on and see our future.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

the_snake_and_the_crane
did you hear a bout argentina and chile have democraticaly decided to join spain and become part of spain

Thats a totally different scenario.

The Spanish were colonial rulers of Argentina and Chile.

snake_and_the _crane correct me if wrong but I belive what you actually wanted to say is that the call for self determination that would have lead to enosis pre 1960 need to be seen in the context of the then era and political situation on the island - GCs were the majority and TCs the miority of Cypriot people.

What im sayin is, Turkish Cypriots need to look at other countries bound under colonial rule and realise that what the majority of Cypriots wanted pre-1960, was an ideal that was similar in other colonial lands.

Marcus Garvey, who many Jamaicans see as a heroic figure, wanted a similar unionship with Africa. Although Jamaica in logistical and geographic terms could never be a part of the African continent - the ideology of a union between Jamaicans and Africa was very big at one point and similar to EOKA's ideology with union with Greece. Jamaica, like Cyprus, was a British colony.

Now how many of you think roots reggae is so cool???



Look at Hong Kong, that was given back to China with white residents who were ancestors of British colonial settlers, similar to Turkish Cypriots who were ancestors of the Ottomon colonial settlers, still living there.

Why was, what EOKA wanted, so bad????

I don't believe that you are a fan of enosis, are you?

Im a fan of the idea and democratic right of wanting Enosis whilst under the rule of a foreign colonial oppresser. At the end of the day, if the Greek Cypriots were the considerably larger majority in Cyprus, then they should have the right to self determination. Why should they STILL be told by foreign powers who will rule them and how they will rule themselves - so long as the island is not committing considerable human rights abuses.

In hindsight, independance would have been a better option for Cyprus in my opinion but I think the 1960 constitution, designed by the UK, is unfair and created purposely with divide and rule in mind.

Turkish Cypriots need to WISE UP to what happend in other British colonies towards the end of their rule and stop trying to paint such a bad and propogandist light on the EOKA 1955-59 struggle.

And didnt we TCs also have the heinsight of the Crete example to look back on and see our future.

Blame the Turks who previously expelled Greeks from their ancestrol homes in modern day Turkey and began the population exchanges - who knows that might have happend otherwise??

[mehmet]

Snake,

We will just have to agree to differ on the concept of EOKA as an independence movement. Certainly there were Greek and Turkish Cypriot's who disagreed with them at the time were not dealt with democratically.

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Internationalism as I understand it is a rejection of all versions of nationalism whether it be ENOSIS or TURANISM based upon language, religion or other aspects of culture. It embraces peaceful coexistence with neighbours and with all ethnic groups within society. It is commonly associated with a left wing perspective although it is not necessarily a left wing concept. Once you define and elevate 'us' by implication you define 'them' and this can lead to policies promoting 'national' interest which can be a source of conflict with neighbours. The EU is an example of how nations can work together, not without faults but certainly without war.



So its basically a form of socialism?

Amongst other things it's a rejection of running society for one ethnic group at the expense of others. Instead the whole population is treated on equal terms. In the context of Cyprus problem in 2007 that would need to address the issue of the population that lives on the island at that time and deal humanely with the issues of all who have been displaced by the conflicts of the past as well as with the people who have arrived since 1974.

[free_cyprus]

can i remind everyone in this forum that 1960 constitution for anyone who has a little brain was iligal unjust and humiliating for the cypriot people................... everyone got something from cyprus except cypriot people................ we got nothing from it ohhhhhhhhhhh sorry we did get something from it its called being laughed at by the international community. we know all about eoka and we know all about tmt both traitors to cyprus .............................. sooo lets move on to present time. how can we solve cyprus problem when the people that are supposed to be our soo leaders are part of or still are what was once eoka and tmt. how can we solve our problem when all the goverment post have been given to traitors as reward for spreading hate among our people, when our chilren go to schools they read greek and turkish history books writen abd made in turkey and greece sooo how can we solve our problem when everything the soo called goverments in cyprus promote what is expedient to the soo called otherside and they keep on doing so talking about otherside as if there was another side the truth is there is no other side we just people of cyprus we happen to speak two languages practice two riligions.................. everythign else about cypriot people is the same the tone of voice the walk the gestures everything is cypriot ...................... where can you hear such words being shouted across the road and right away not know they are cypriots regardless if they speak turkish or greek and the word is bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo this word comes from our pride and heritage as being farmers and shepperds in cyprus. if i have discovered one fantastic thing about cypriot people its this those who have become extremly right still hold the values of eating black eyed beans with greens olives and round bread that is associated with cyprus i cannot take this away from them