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mehmet
and your point being ????

[Simon]

[quote]Well you can just use a mirror for that, come to me if you ever find a REAL argument



Or if you ever need a hotel around Lefke, i can do you extra good forum deal [/quote]

See, you just made me laugh again. I love it when you directly prove my point Shah, it happens quite often. I can always rely on you.

[mehmet]

I dont see how EOKA were traitors to Cyprus, they wanted to fight for Cyprus' freedom and give Cypriots self determination.

Well... that could start a never ending discussion in itself. My Greek isn't good but isn't ENOSIS something to do with union with Greece? If so I don't see how EOKA can be described as an independence movement.

Internationalism as I understand it is a rejection of all versions of nationalism whether it be ENOSIS or TURANISM based upon language, religion or other aspects of culture. It embraces peaceful coexistence with neighbours and with all ethnic groups within society. It is commonly associated with a left wing perspective although it is not necessarily a left wing concept. Once you define and elevate 'us' by implication you define 'them' and this can lead to policies promoting 'national' interest which can be a source of conflict with neighbours. The EU is an example of how nations can work together, not without faults but certainly without war.

mehmet
and your point being ????

See above. [/quote]

[shahmaran]

Well you can just use a mirror for that, come to me if you ever find a REAL argument



Or if you ever need a hotel around Lefke, i can do you extra good forum deal

See, you just made me laugh again. I love it when you directly prove my point Shah, it happens quite often. I can always rely on you.

Well im glad you are happy and laughing, you do need it after all the crying you did the other night

[polis]

the_snake_and_the_crane
like i have said many times in my post. in this forum, eoka and tmt, are traitors to cyprus people, there is no secret here also they have comited crimes against cypriot people. not only that the cypriot soo called goverments in the north and south are both either members or still active members of tmt and eoka, and they employ people in key goverment post, to keep the propaganda machine going.......................... why are they there in the first place you might ask , its simple it is their reward for betraying cypriot people in the past.

I dont see how EOKA were traitors to Cyprus, they wanted to fight for Cyprus' freedom and give Cypriots self determination. EOKA B were traitors yes, like the TMT. EOKA B and the TMT both wanted to force Cyprus into the hands of Greece or Turkey without any democracy. EOKA B has virtually no support from the Greek Cypriot community and was formed by the CIA.

There is Greek nationalism, Turkish nationalism and Cypriot nationalism. But there is another option..... internationalism.

People are not persuaded through insults to do anything but reject arguements put forward by others.

To me, 'Cypriot nationalism' is basically socialism - because I dont see any other basis of so-called 'Cypriot nationalism'. Because Cyprus is so young as a country and is not in its capacity to be aggressors toward other states, then I dont see a 'Cypriot Nationalism' existing.

I dont see what you mean by 'internationalism' is - but if you mean Cypriots understanding the outside world away from Cyprus then I defenetly agree.

No need for the author of this thread to waste his time with this one.

[miltiades]

I dont see how EOKA were traitors to Cyprus, they wanted to fight for Cyprus' freedom and give Cypriots self determination.

Well... that could start a never ending discussion in itself. My Greek isn't good but isn't ENOSIS something to do with union with Greece? If so I don't see how EOKA can be described as an independence movement.

Internationalism as I understand it is a rejection of all versions of nationalism whether it be ENOSIS or TURANISM based upon language, religion or other aspects of culture. It embraces peaceful coexistence with neighbours and with all ethnic groups within society. It is commonly associated with a left wing perspective although it is not necessarily a left wing concept. Once you define and elevate 'us' by implication you define 'them' and this can lead to policies promoting 'national' interest which can be a source of conflict with neighbours. The EU is an example of how nations can work together, not without faults but certainly without war.

mehmet
and your point being ????

See above.

[/quote]

Mehmet , welcome back , your contributions to this forum have always been intelligent , very constructive and well presented .Lets have more.

[mehmet]

Miltiades, thank you for your kind words.

I haven't been away, just silently observing.

[Simon]

[quote]Well im glad you are happy and laughing, you do need it after all the crying you did the other night
[/quote]


Yeah, crying with laughter at your arguments.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

No need for the author of this thread to waste his time with this one.

Care to elaborate?

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Well... that could start a never ending discussion in itself. My Greek isn't good but isn't ENOSIS something to do with union with Greece? If so I don't see how EOKA can be described as an independence movement.

Enosis means UNION. EOKA wanted self determination for Cypriots. The majority of the Cypriot population, at the time of colonialism, wanted union with Greece like the other culturally Greek islands.

It may sound unacceptable with the Turkish Cypriot community - but you have to put into context that what the Greek Cypriot community (over 80% of the population of Cyprus) is quite synonymous with other peoples under foreign colonial power. The Greek Cypriots had been under foreign oppression for hundreds of years, so I do not see what the problem of them democratically deciding their fate for the first time - why is that so wrong??? Yes the Turkish Cypriots may have objected - but if the majority democratically agrees on a vote, it should stand. The same has happend in other countries and yet in those places it seems ok.

Internationalism as I understand it is a rejection of all versions of nationalism whether it be ENOSIS or TURANISM based upon language, religion or other aspects of culture. It embraces peaceful coexistence with neighbours and with all ethnic groups within society. It is commonly associated with a left wing perspective although it is not necessarily a left wing concept. Once you define and elevate 'us' by implication you define 'them' and this can lead to policies promoting 'national' interest which can be a source of conflict with neighbours. The EU is an example of how nations can work together, not without faults but certainly without war.

So its basically a form of socialism?