Humanist, i do care for GC, i care for everyone honestly, but when you come and tell me from the other side of the world that you support my isolation's till the day you die, that just makes me sick, that's all...
I actually LIVE in the TRNC, i see what the isolation's are doing to the people and you probably cannot do anything about it just as i cannot do anything about the situation either, but the fact that you can support the oppression of an entire people, that's what makes you racist!
Apart from that I'm sure you are a lovely guy who has no issues with any other race on ground level, but think about exactly what you are advocating here and on what you really are insisting on supporting over these people that you say you care so much about, we have more important issues here then some bloody traffic signs FFS! Yes, great, I'm sure they are a nice step forward as well as the gates, but come one man! what the hell do people think we are, peasants?!
Will greeks loose their property & turks remain isolated
by Pyrpolizer » Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:30 pm
wrote: Humanist, i do care for GC, i care for everyone honestly
that’s it my son. It’s just some people cannot read between your lines. The truth is GC refugees suffer and at the same time the Tcs also suffer. Settlers and others simply gain on our suffering.
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by humanist » Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:39 pm
Shah, I actually went away and thought I better get back to you in relation to that very coment that I made. My apologies I wrote in a moment of reaction to someone's post and in haste.
What I wanted to say is that I do not support direct trade, however I will support any efforts made by the EU for trade to occur between turkish speaking cypriots and EU via legal channels within legal ports/ aiports/ roads within the ROC as being proposed. I will also support oppenning of more crossings so that business owners along strips can benefit by passing traffic.
Shahmaran we need to work towards a solution because this situation which lasted for 32 years in causing people on both sides of the divide to suffer, and I think unnecessarily. We have to work with the UN to create policies and change laws to ensure that minority groups within cyprus are protected against attack, discrimination and racism.
I think that the everyday person can live together, the fact that for the past 3-4 years we have crossed the divide and have been civil to one another despite of properties being occupied and lands being used for agriculture and jobs being given to turkish speakeing cypriots are signs that people have had enough. If allowed by our leader we can live together.
I think we even agree on BBF ..... if so then lets to work and solve this bloody issue ......
Pyrpolizer ........ you are right greek refugees and indeed other greek speakers also suffer ......... Zan has once presented an argument in relation to settlers and I have to say that we need to also consider the plight of settlers also, some will eventually need to stay. Perhaps a discussion for another post. Some refugee land will need to be given up with right compensation, the Chursh has to play part in donating land to the state for turkish speakers to be resettled. Enough of econmic rationalism this is time for humanity.
What I wanted to say is that I do not support direct trade, however I will support any efforts made by the EU for trade to occur between turkish speaking cypriots and EU via legal channels within legal ports/ aiports/ roads within the ROC as being proposed. I will also support oppenning of more crossings so that business owners along strips can benefit by passing traffic.
Shahmaran we need to work towards a solution because this situation which lasted for 32 years in causing people on both sides of the divide to suffer, and I think unnecessarily. We have to work with the UN to create policies and change laws to ensure that minority groups within cyprus are protected against attack, discrimination and racism.
I think that the everyday person can live together, the fact that for the past 3-4 years we have crossed the divide and have been civil to one another despite of properties being occupied and lands being used for agriculture and jobs being given to turkish speakeing cypriots are signs that people have had enough. If allowed by our leader we can live together.
I think we even agree on BBF ..... if so then lets to work and solve this bloody issue ......
Pyrpolizer ........ you are right greek refugees and indeed other greek speakers also suffer ......... Zan has once presented an argument in relation to settlers and I have to say that we need to also consider the plight of settlers also, some will eventually need to stay. Perhaps a discussion for another post. Some refugee land will need to be given up with right compensation, the Chursh has to play part in donating land to the state for turkish speakers to be resettled. Enough of econmic rationalism this is time for humanity.
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by Pyrpolizer » Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:55 pm
Call me inhumane humanist but I am not giving my property to anyone.
And i will not accept any solution that will force me to do so.
In Turkey there is 1000 times more land than in Cyprus settlers can go there, if they want land.
Church is bussiness, I don't expect anything from them other than charge my family 500 pounds for my grave when I die
And i will not accept any solution that will force me to do so.
In Turkey there is 1000 times more land than in Cyprus settlers can go there, if they want land.
Church is bussiness, I don't expect anything from them other than charge my family 500 pounds for my grave when I die
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by humanist » Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:06 pm
Pyrpozizer, you are too right right about the church in both accounts, however a strong government needs to make that happen so that there will be less land needed for those turkish speaking cypriots who do not wish to move to the greek dominated state of a united Cyprus (anyway we don't need to worry about that because by the way the leadership is heading there wont be a soultion for at least another half a century andif your are as old as I am you and I will be burried in the 500 grave 
- we may as well have a laugh my friend).
My suggestion on this forum all along has been that the RoC needs to set up a register for those refugees who will not return, I personally know of many families living both in Australia and Cyprus who will not return, they have established lives in Australia and in the south and will not return. So perhaps they can be compensated so that there is more land available for the north state if that is what we would call it. Once again I doubt there will be a solution as turkish cypriot aim is for partition and seem to knock back any efforts made by the RoC to unify the Island.
As far as settlers go, I think at thi point in time we have to accept that some will stay. Frankly I don't care how many stay, I have stated in the past that, the turkish speaking cypriots need to go to referendum to vote if any stay and what percentage will. Some have married turkish speaking cypriots, some have been there for 32 years have lives there, I think it is unrealistic to expect them to go.
Like I said it appears that unification is out because Turkish Cypriots do not wish for that. There are two possibly three Turkish speakers on this forum who want a unified Cyprus hardly a majority too bead as they are the true cypriots who have left cyprus and have become educate in many different ways.
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My suggestion on this forum all along has been that the RoC needs to set up a register for those refugees who will not return, I personally know of many families living both in Australia and Cyprus who will not return, they have established lives in Australia and in the south and will not return. So perhaps they can be compensated so that there is more land available for the north state if that is what we would call it. Once again I doubt there will be a solution as turkish cypriot aim is for partition and seem to knock back any efforts made by the RoC to unify the Island.
As far as settlers go, I think at thi point in time we have to accept that some will stay. Frankly I don't care how many stay, I have stated in the past that, the turkish speaking cypriots need to go to referendum to vote if any stay and what percentage will. Some have married turkish speaking cypriots, some have been there for 32 years have lives there, I think it is unrealistic to expect them to go.
Like I said it appears that unification is out because Turkish Cypriots do not wish for that. There are two possibly three Turkish speakers on this forum who want a unified Cyprus hardly a majority too bead as they are the true cypriots who have left cyprus and have become educate in many different ways.
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by Pyrpolizer » Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:57 pm
Good point Shah...
No humanist those who are here are mostly UK expats who for some reason are mostly pro Denktash.
The majority of TCs living in Cyprus do want a solution, for various reasons. Like I said before I only know a fe TCs but my personal opinion is that generally they want a solution for these reasons
1)Economic isolation, and difficult to make a living.
2)To get rid of the Turkish oppression
3)To get back their properties
There is also another reason for a considerable number of them
4)They expect to achieve partition through Federation.
That's why I say in this forum the TC Fed state cannot be more than 18%. I know what I am saying, there are many TCs who want the Fed just to run away with a large piece of Cyprus.
No humanist those who are here are mostly UK expats who for some reason are mostly pro Denktash.
The majority of TCs living in Cyprus do want a solution, for various reasons. Like I said before I only know a fe TCs but my personal opinion is that generally they want a solution for these reasons
1)Economic isolation, and difficult to make a living.
2)To get rid of the Turkish oppression
3)To get back their properties
There is also another reason for a considerable number of them
4)They expect to achieve partition through Federation.
That's why I say in this forum the TC Fed state cannot be more than 18%. I know what I am saying, there are many TCs who want the Fed just to run away with a large piece of Cyprus.
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