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[humanist]

Eryc don't even start on that issue of genicide , you as a full blooded turk would know all about violation of human rights,

Cyprus

Kurds and

of course a European recognised genoside of a milion so Armenioans...... on your bike


should I mention what you've done to greek of constantinople??

[shahmaran]

Come on Humanist, and i always thought you represented one of the more "sensible" corners of this forum

[Strahd]

Come on Humanist, and i always thought you represented one of the more "sensible" corners of this forum

What is insesible about his post sham?

[shahmaran]

Well, he is falling for Erics provocations and being one sided, none of the points he mentioned is as black and white as he makes it out out to be, and im sure he is well aware of it too...

[askimwos]

Well, he is falling for Erics provocations and being one sided, none of the points he mentioned is as black and white as he makes it out out to be, and im sure he is well aware of it too...

Let me add to your black and white split..

black 95%
white 5%

or bullshit 95%, true 5% what do uou say?

[shahmaran]

i say your opinion doesn't affect the truth, not even slightly...

what do you say?

[askimwos]

i say your opinion doesn't affect the truth, not even slightly...

what do you say?

I never claim to know the absolute true and no ones opinion can affect the truth. What I say though is that I can spot a nationalistic bullshitter from miles away and this is the case with Eric.

As for you I would suggest you adopt a more balanced attitude and have the guts to confront bullshitters from wherever community they come from. Your tactic to provoke balanced viewed people by adopting chauvinist views only to step back and accept that these views are propaganda once attacked by level-headed forum members is a flip-flop attitude. The only thing that you achieve by doing this is to further reduce your credibility.

The ethnic cleancing of the greek population of Istabul based on a well fabricate provocatoric action of the turkish ultra nationalists is a fine example of this. At the begining you posted that this was a reaction of the turkish state to some bombing and then you accepted the real facts.
Isn't this a flip-flop attidute?

[humanist]

Shahmaran, I support a united Cyprus where all Cypriots live together in peace harmony, respect and acceptance of difference. I do not support divison of Cyprus under any circumstance, I do not and have never accepted Turkey's dispicable acts and violations of human rights of Cypriots and including in that turkish speaking cypriots. If turkey genuinely wanted the betterment of turkish Cypriots they would have had a better life by now. And I do not mean the very few who have benefited from the current division but the majority of turkish speaking cypriots.

I sit back sometimes and wonder how a turkish speaking family would feel knowing that the home they are living in, is not theirs and that one day they stand to be uprooted yet again. I wonder what it feels being a turkish speaking cypriot knowing that on the other side of the divide people consider them thieves. I wonder what this means for a persons psyche and self esteem. Recently I read an article from a turkish speaking cypriot scholar/ doctor talking about a depressed society in the north. I wonder whetehr Mr talat and his regime who stand to gain most from the current division of cyprus are thinking and have thought for years about the plight of the working class turkish speaking cypriot who was up rooted from their village in Paphos and has been told Cyprus is not your homeland but this fake regime we have created is your country a country that is not recognised by anyone else in the world except this violent abhorent motherland called Turkey.

I wonder if the powers that be that sit in Ankara enjoying the power, wealth and manipulation really think of some 90,000 turkish speaking cypriots who are slowly but surely becoming a minority in their so called country being turkified and out numbered. I wonder if they care. I assure you none the least do they care. Whilst turkey is developing and growing and surving on american dollar the turkish speakers are leaving in droves. Why do turkish speaking cypriots travel each day to work in the south, why do they use RoC public health? if the answer is they are getting an income, they are better off doing this then the regime in the north has failed them for 32 years and another 32 to come. It is time for solution so that these people can get on with their lives. Talat doesn't give a shit, he lives in the prestigious part of Lefkosia, he drives in a mercedes benz he is on a good salary probably owns companies as well.

Turkish speaking cypriots are manipulated each and every day, wait we will get end to isolation then we will be independent, do you really thik that will be possible if it did not happen in the past 32 years what makes you guys think it will happen now or in another 32 years. The greeks will opse it with all might because they feel hard done by, I will support economic embargo as long as I live. Because I do not believe that people have the right to invcade a country, kill people and be rewarded for it.

The best option is to get on to work immediately to come to a long lasting solution wher all cypriots are free to practice what they believ so long as it does not harm another, provide policies that ensure safety for individauls against racism and discrimination, to share the resources equally in a united european cyprus. Talat needs to wake up that this is an opportunity to resolve the issues. Or Cyprus will not be unified or permanantly partitioned for another 50 years till my generation and that before me drops off. Whilst we are dropping off the same generations in the north are also dropping off, that is the reality, my friend.

[humanist]

AT/ssk

Dear Mr XXXXXXXXXXXX,

I thank you for your e-mail to the European Parliament regarding the EU support of Cyprus.

As you certainly know, the accession of new Member States to the European Union is provided for in Article 49 of the EU Treaty and its basis is the compliance with all the criteria established by the Copenhagen European Council in June 1993 - political, economic and the ability of the applicant country to accept obligations as a member of the Union and to implement the Community rights and obligations in its national legislation. Therefore, the accession talks between EU and applicant countries, including Turkey, are conducted on the basis of clear and rigorous negotiating frameworks, thus helping to consolidate reforms and to prepare the countries to fulfil their obligations upon accession.

In addition to the Copenhagen political criteria and whereas a democratic, secular and economically stable Turkey would play a constructive role in promoting understanding between civilisations and substantially benefit not only Turkey but the whole of Europe as well, Turkey's progress in meeting the accession criteria is measured in relation to the requirements clearly set out in the Negotiating Framework - including the implementation of the Additional Protocol to the Ankara Agreement, which is an essential element of the advancement of the negotiations. Turkey must apply the Protocol fully in its relations with all EU Member States and remove all obstacles to the free movement of goods, including restrictions on means of transport. The opening of negotiations on the relevant chapters depends on Turkey's implementation of its contractual obligations concluded with the EU Member States. Failure to implement these obligations in full will affect the overall progress in the negotiations.

You may wish to read more details about the position of the EU and the European Parliament at the following Internet addresses:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... anguage=EN
European Parliament resolution on Turkey's progress towards accession, 27 September 2006

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... anguage=EN
European Parliament resolution on women's role in social, economic and political life in Turkey, 13 February 2007

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/key ... per_en.pdf
Enlargement Strategy and Main Challenges 2006 – 2007, 8 November 2006, Communication from the Commission to the European Parliament and the Council

In conclusion, I hope that this information goes some way towards expanding your understanding of the European Union's approach to EU-Turkey relations framework.

Yours sincerely,



Jean-Louis COUGNON
Head of Service
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European Parliament
General Directorate for Information
Correspondence with Citizens Unit

The above is a response to an e-mail I sent to the EU in relation to Cyprus and Turkey's bullying tactics of recent motnhs around the oil exploration and Turkey's threats of war.

Whilst some of you want to debate endlessly and repeatedly the who has suffered most and who has wronged whom and who is stuffing whom around, I decided to voice my concerns of the current situation in Cyprus.

I cannot change the past, I cannot bring my 17 year old uncle killed by the Turkish military in 74, back but I can certainly play a part in changing the future even if I can make a change in one cypriots life then my job on the planet has been done.

You are right I got sucked into some idiots post and I reacted, I consider this a lesson a lesson for my self to grow and develop into a better human being. Can you do the same. Can you sit back and say we have been in lock heads for decades, no one has won, can we learn from this and work together as one cypriot people to end the suffering fro our future generation. We have experienced war and famine and discrimination and violence and poverty. Lets change our tactics they are as much a human being as we are, lets see what we sghare and build upon it, lets move forward because our practice of the last 50 od years has yielded nothing fruitful. Lets try something differennt for once. Let us not behave like two years olds but like respectable politicians working for the comon good of all cypriots.

One last coment for Talat

STOP F-----G SELLING MY COUNTRY TO THE JEWS, RUSSIANS AND THE BRITISH YOUR DISRESPECTFUL PITTYFUL MAN.

[Eric dayi]

You see, like I said...nothing but whingers, whiners and criers. These ididots never did anything wrong and it's always them who is the victim. Well, boo hoo hoo.

Since WW1 how much land has Greece grabbed in it's expansionist dreams and how much land has Turkey grabbed?

They call me a nationalist because I fight for the rights of my people, they do the same but don't see themselves for what they are, and they are no less nationalist than I am.

I see them as idiots who don't know what the f**k they are talking about and in their desperation they even beg Turks to take their sides against other Turks like myself.

Keep on crying you beggers, you deserve nothing less.

PS: How many times was Greece been found guilty on human rights last year alone and fined for it heavily? Also, Greece was caught with it's pants down lying to the Eu and stealing billions of Euros. The only reason why Greece is out of the shite it was in in the 80's was because of EU handout and the money Greece lied about and stole from the EU.

Go on, call me a nationalist again and make my day, again.