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[Alexandros Lordos]

Good evening friends,

I am happy to say that my report is now complete and available for download: (right click-save target as)

http://www.help-net.gr/CivilSocietyDiplomacy.pdf


Also, the PowerPoint presentation I made at Wilton Park is also available for download: (right click-save target as)

http://www.help-net.gr/LordosFaizPresentation.ppt


For other,older downloads, you can visit my download site directly at:

http://www.help-net.gr/download.htm


See you all later

(Sorry I can't stay to talk now, I've just come home and ... you know, family and things!)

[cannedmoose]

Good stuff Alex, hope the presentation went well. Enjoy your weekend.

Cmoose

[Alexandros Lordos]

Just bringing the topic back up to the top, for anyone who is having difficulty finding the download links ...

[cannedmoose]

Alex, just to make you aware, the title of your Chapter 10, 'Getting to Yes' has been used as the title of a previous academic article on the Plan. You may not have been aware of it in crafting the title for your own study, but for the sake of academic copyright, I would reference it nonetheless (this article was published February 2004). You can find the article at http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/areastudies/Oxford_Cyprus.pdf and it's certainly worth a read for yourself and others too.

[Alexandros Lordos]

Thanks for the info, Cannedmoose ... I have to see what I will do about this...

[cannedmoose]

Thanks for the info, Cannedmoose ... I have to see what I will do about this...

No problem, it's a touchy issue with some academics so you can never be too careful.

[erolz]

Hi Alexandros

I finally got round to printing out all 95 pages of your report and am working my through it.

Overall it is a very useful and considered document. However one thing did strike me quite hard in the first 30 or so pages I have read so far. I do not want to get this out of proportion or context but felt I should mention it anyway. I hope my comments are seen in this light.

Basically it's the bit at the bottom of page 24 (and respeated in other forms futher on) where you say

'..., since after all it is the prospect of EU memebership that propelled them (TC) to seek a solution to the Cyprus problem in the first place.'

This statement seemd a little strange to me. As far as I am concerned (some) TC have been seeking a solution to the Cyprus for much longer than EU entry has been a possibility and for reasons well beyond just EU entry. If there was no EU there would still be many TC seeking a solution - for economic reasons, for ideological reasons and others besides. I feel that this statement undermines the otherwise excellent attempt at 'neutrality' you have obviously worked hard tto achieve and I wonder what the basis for this claim is. Certainly the prospect of EU entry is one factor that is a 'positive' result of a solution for many TC - but certainly not all. Also it is not the what 'propelles' us to seek a solution as far as I am concerned. It may be one element.

Like I say I hope this does not come accross as too partisan or picky? Over all I have great repspect for the important work you have done here. I just think the document may well be (slightly) 'better' without this statement in. Maybe it is back up by evidence from you polls futher on in the document but upto the point I have reached so far it wuld seem to be more your 'personal opinion' and I am guessing that was not your intention.

[magikthrill]

Alexandre,

Although I have not read your report I agree with what erolz is saying.

While the efforts for reunification did come surprisingl fast within a matter of months, I think Turkey had more to do with this than the TCs themselves.

[metecyp]

While the efforts for reunification did come surprisingl fast within a matter of months, I think Turkey had more to do with this than the TCs themselves.

This is not true. 80.000 TCs demonstrated for reunification 2-3 times and that's when Turkey realized that not all TCs think like Denktas in regard to Cyprus problem. Then, other factors such as Turkey's EU candidacy, enhanced the process but again if TCs did not gather in the north and show their true will collectively, nothing would have happenned.

I should also add the opening of the borders was also in part due to TC efforts. A TC, Ahmen An, brought Turkey to EHRC for not letting him pass to the south and he won the case. This case plus the famous Loizidou case compelled Turkey to do something about the borders.

So as you can see my friend, you cannot ignore the collective will and effort of TCs for reunification. We're yet to see such a move from the south though.

[insan]

Alexandros, I agree with what erolz pointed out. The prospect of EU membership not only propelled TC community but also propelled and allarmed all concerned parties except GC leadership to seek a solution before May 1. You should have known why... It was international comunity, Turkey and TC opposition parties who encouraged TC community to actively participate during the solution seeking process. Though with or without EU carrot, the concerned parties could encourage TC community to actively participate for the solution seeking process just promising them freedon and a better life. Cyprus problem has never been so preferential task on international community's agenda, before. Thus, the movement of TCs is something developed in paralel connection of new world conjucture. Perhaps majority of TCs weren't/aren't well aware of what exactly the new world conjuncture means but the ones who encouraged them(Including Talat, Erdogan, Akinci ets) were/are well aware of that...