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[shahmaran]

Well then miltiades, you have very fascist views, you seem to believe that you are the superior race and that you have the right to inflict whatever pain is required to obtain your ideal world, therefore i truly fail to see how you can claim to be the humane side of the equation, i think your views are just as evil as the people who stone women to death!

[miltiades]

Absolute rubbish , wanting the civilized world to prevail over evil regimes and scatological ideologies is not fascist but sensible. Stoning a human to death is a barbaric culture , crippling children intentionally to make them into more successful beggars is barbaric , selling children to the Arabs as toys for the perverts that they are is barbaric, eating live monkey brains while the poor animal is in a head lock contraption , is barbaric , blowing your self up in a crowded market place killing indiscriminately women and children is barbaric , killing a rape victim is barbaric. That my friend is a synopsis of what barbaric behaviour is as seen by the civilized people on this planet.

[shahmaran]

they stone people to death under the belief that they are making their society a better place, we bomb entire countries under the beleif that we are making the world a better place...

same shit, different arse

[Simon]

Be careful not to define 'the West' as simply the US. None of the Western European nations have the death penalty. Furthermore, the British have said that they disagree with Guantanamo and that it should be closed, as have other European nations.

[askimwos]

Here is one thing that I actually agree with shah. Who the hell is the US and that idiot Bush to pay god and decide what is civilized and what not.
I agree stoning defenceless people to death is barbaric, but does this really justify bombing a whole nation and killing many many more? Or do you actually belive that the US and their allies invate and bomb countries just because they stone people, then why the hell haven't they done the same with Saudi Arabia or Yemen?

It is simple, anybody that is not prepared to bend over to the US he will get bombed. Well if there is oil then even better, the US will be even keener and they will even move in with troops.

[free_cyprus]

askimwos
the reason why us invade and bomb other countries is in agreement with the five permenent members of the u n china france britain u s russia and cors unoficialy isreal.................. what do these six nations have in common its this they supply 98% of the worlds arms to other countries, so when america went into iraq every country around the borders of iraq updates their military hardware costing billions. soncondly the crooks who are the head of making weapons benefit from the profits. they all benefit the only ones who suffer is the weak countries who believe that buying arms is going to protect them or their people ................. show me one powerful country like russia or america or china if they decided to invade another country does anyone say anything to them the answer is no ...................the reason being they all benefit they are all buddies in crime

[shahmaran]

indeed, only ancient minds like Miltiades would fail to see the reality with an objective manner, the guy views other nations that are different from his as "savages", what can you expect, he is a true propaganda victim of the US, shame really

[miltiades]

they stone people to death under the belief that they are making their society a better place, we bomb entire countries under the beleif that we are making the world a better place...

same shit, different arse

As you say , SAME SHIT AS MOST OF THE TIMES .

[miltiades]

Here is one thing that I actually agree with shah. Who the hell is the US and that idiot Bush to pay god and decide what is civilized and what not.
I agree stoning defenceless people to death is barbaric, but does this really justify bombing a whole nation and killing many many more? Or do you actually belive that the US and their allies invate and bomb countries just because they stone people, then why the hell haven't they done the same with Saudi Arabia or Yemen?

It is simple, anybody that is not prepared to bend over to the US he will get bombed. Well if there is oil then even better, the US will be even keener and they will even move in with troops.

Askimwos , most if not all of your posts were well defined , articulate and intelligently presented , this one however , especially your " who the hell is the US and that idiot Bush " expose your inbred hostility to the worlds most powerful nation and also indicate your naivety regarding this so called " who the hell is the USA " As a Cypriot let me just answer you in a sentence. The worlds most influential power has steadfastly refused to recognise the occupied part of Cyprus as a separate state and by doing so has given hope to all Cypriots who desire the unification of our Island . Should America , or the "idiot " as you say Bush , change mind and recognise the "TRNC" then the END of the road for unification prospects will be heralded with delight and celebrations by all those who wish to see the status quo become a legal and permanent partition. It is strange that the only nation on earth that stands between partition and unification prospects kept alive , is so ardently abhorred by the majority Cypriots , who forget that out in the States there are many Cypriots fighting our corner , doing so under difficult circumstances bearing in mind the acknowledged animosity so often exhibited by Cypriots who unfortunately lack the wisdom to consider where our interests as a small island should be. Let us carry on the good work by establishing more useless alliances with ineffective insignificant weak regimes , Cuba comes to mind , rather than align our selves with the powerful and influential nations , just as Turkey does , but then Turkey perhaps has diplomats , we have men in ties trying to out do each other and further their careers in the process.

Returning to the subject of civilization and Western world values , let me remind you that Cypru's values are based on the values of the Western world , the Cypriots are a progressive species who move with the times , so where once a young girl having a boyfriend was frowned upon it is now perfectly acceptable. We do not stone people to death neither do we amputate limps , and if a misfortune young lady was to suffer the indignity of rape , she would be cared for and comforted by her family , not be killed for some medieval belief that honour is between a woman's legs. We care about our animals and have sanctuaries for the old and no longer active horses and other such animals , we do not parade dancing Bears for entertainment and neither do we subject the misfortunate amongst us to vulgarities endured daily in India , Asia , M.East , Thailand etc etc. I admire our western world values none more so that our freedom of expression without fear of persecution , freedom to believe in the creator or not , freedom to ridicule and laugh at our country's expense , freedom to criticize and ridicule politicians and those in the higher echelons of society.
Tell me Sir , can you obtain such wonderful human values anywhere else in the third world ??

[Nicole22]

I don't think that's quite the whole picture....Miltiades. We live in a very fast moving technological and shirking world, a first in all of human history.........what we call progress now may very well be our downfall. In all this hippy, happy liberalism we have also given raise to other monsters where our children suffer from anorexia, drug and behavioural problems........so we haven't quite got it right AND there is value in what you may term the third world ideologies.....so be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. There is good and bad in all regimes just as there is good and bad in all of us individually.