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Postby shahmaran » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:15 pm

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shahmaran wrote:No mitliades, i say it in RESPONSE to a similarly leveled post, so no need for the patronising attitude, we all know how disastrous war can be, and i wouldn't wish it up on anyone, but we were speaking hypothetically, because some people suggested the possibility, and i was just giving my argument on the case...

I just wish you could sustain the level of morality and virtue when it came to other parts of the world, such as Iraq and Iran, because looking at your comments about the conflicts of these countries along with the US, i would say you are no angel yourself and can easily hold double standards, I however, only say it as it is, i try to calculate such events on an evolutionary basis, and try too keep in mind the struggle for life we all live for and everything we are willing to do for it, after all we are all humans no?

so there is another difference for you miltiades....


Shah , Britain as well as America and the rest of the free world went to war against the evil Nazis , and to many people Iran and Sadam were evil , and represent a real threat to world stability. Iran in possession of Nuclear weapons will be like a five year old behind the wheel of a jet fighter.The West must never permit such nations to possess such
weapons, a nation that has vowed to annihilate another nation can not be trusted to reach the state where it can carry out its' threat , I personally immensely mistrust any nation that has theocracy as its' guiding light.
Thankfully in Cyprus we have a secular society and long may we continue to have it. The Cypriots are not Iranians and do not represent a threat to any nation , the only likely threat is unfortunately to their own nation.


i still don't see it as an excuse to view them as subhuman nations, let me remind you that it is the "free world" that has pretty much taken over the world and continuing to do so, and not these theocratic nations, and there is no need for anyone to act like the coalition forces are out to free us from the evil Muslims, its purely for oil and we all know it, so this is not only extremely wrong its also very unethical in my view, they are (just like you) willing to forget everything they claim to stand and fight for, when it all comes down to survival, ie. oil, foreign influence, etc.

so in reality no one is really doing anything "good" for everyone, they are just looking out for themselves in the expense of some foreign lives, and the part that i hate the most is that, these people are probably so much more noble and spiritually advanced then most who live in the western world, but are being treated as brainless animals by the so called "civilised nations" :?
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Postby Simon » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:17 pm

By the way, the size of your Army is not as important as you may think. The matter of primary importance is how technologically advanced and well-trained your Armed Forces are. Just look at Britain, its army is nowhere near as large as Turkey's and yet is still far more capable.
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Postby free_cyprus » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:19 pm

i dont have a inferiority complex fist of all you lot are talking about greece and turkey the two great friends who enjoy all the trapings of diplomatic relashinship...................... you guys are wasting your time comparing armies of these two countrys they are on the same side.................. not only are they on the same side they are actualy laughing at us cypriots for waht a fools we are for thinking they are our motherlands
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:24 pm

miltiades wrote:Shah , Britain as well as America and the rest of the free world went to war against the evil Nazis , and to many people Iran and Sadam were evil , and represent a real threat to world stability. Iran in possession of Nuclear weapons will be like a five year old behind the wheel of a jet fighter.The West must never permit such nations to possess such
weapons, a nation that has vowed to annihilate another nation can not be trusted to reach the state where it can carry out its' threat , I personally immensely mistrust any nation that has theocracy as its' guiding light.
Thankfully in Cyprus we have a secular society and long may we continue to have it. The Cypriots are not Iranians and do not represent a threat to any nation , the only likely threat is unfortunately to their own nation.


Miltiades something tells me that you and I won't get along for too long if you continue with your unfounded G.Bush drivel!

1. The US is the ONLY country in the World that has ever used WMD.

2. Iran is a very peaceful country.

3. The only constant threats to global stability and constant perpetrators of heinous crimes against humanity are the US and Israel.

4. If you read the NPT you will see for yourself that it's not worth the paper it was written on because the UK and France both violated it first by offering the technology to Israel and subsequently the US to India/Pakistan etc.

5. Iran may have some form of "theocracy" but the US has a far more sinister movement called Zionism or more formally the AIPAC.

If and when you start taking global FACTS into account I'll respect your opinion on these matters.
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Postby shahmaran » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:24 pm

Simon wrote:By the way, the size of your Army is not as important as you may think. The matter of primary importance is how technologically advanced and well-trained your Armed Forces are. Just look at Britain, its army is nowhere near as large as Turkey's and yet is still far more capable.


i know Simon, Greeks greatly outnumbered us in Turkey and still lost, just like in Gallippoli, and what are they going to do when we outnumber them and technologically overpower them as well?

that is my point here :)
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Postby Simon » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:27 pm

Shah, I think it is you with a serious problem. I mean, who else would quote a War that happened over 80 years ago to 'prove' one side is more powerful than the other. :lol:
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Postby free_cyprus » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:31 pm

suddenly all i hear in this forum is a war thats about to break out with whome its not clear but i hear alot of numbers and bravado
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Postby shahmaran » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:34 pm

Simon wrote:Shah, I think it is you with a serious problem. I mean, who else would quote a War that happened over 80 years ago to 'prove' one side is more powerful than the other. :lol:


well we are talking about turkey and greece and that is the last example of such an event so why the hell not?

yes its been 80 years and im sure greece has got much stronger since, but so has turkey....
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Postby Simon » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:48 pm

Maybe because both Armed Forces have changed beyond recognition since then and therefore, it tells us nothing about today. Did I have to point that out to you? :roll:

Yes, both sides have become stronger, that simply reinforces my point.
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Postby shahmaran » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:58 pm

yes but i think there are other elements that are far more important than simply numbers and technology which is probably why Greece was always defeated by Turks, even under the most desperate conditions....
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