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[shahmaran]

Miltiades speaks a lot of truth, you guys should listen to him...

[miltiades]

How old are you guys?

Why don't you arranmge a fight between yourselfs so that we can all get rid of you warlovers once and for all? Cyprus has had its fair share of war and kllings so lets try to heal those wounds before even considering to open more with yet another war.

Here is a man of reason , intelligence , refinement and above all a TRUE CYPRIOT.
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we have a lot of people talking shit in here not realising what they are talking about
I'm just trying to educate the poor guy. I told him early on that we're armed to the teeth and he just got condescending!

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AND HERE IS THE PROUD TURK , NOT CYPRIOT BUT TURK :
Full of bravado and utterly irresponsible to his own people.

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Condescending, aww look who is getting upset, did i make you feel small I'm sorry, i was just trying to be friendly

You cannot be seriously comparing RoC with Turkey are you?! Tell me you are joking...

Whats this a Cypriot army website advertising, are you kidding me man?! What am i supposed to do, look at the cool pictures? Is this how you are going to "educate" me?

Turkey is not famous for her military prowess?!?! You must have forgotten how the glorious Greek army got defeated in the center of Turkey, we swallowed you alive!

OK, you might not be up to date with Turkish history, but not even your own history? No wonder even your own professors are trying to rewrite your history books in order to make them more aligned with the TRUTH, you guys are fucking ridiculous, all you want to hear is about Alexander the Gay, try learning more about your incredible defeats and you might change your entire outlook on the "great" Greek armed forces

The truth , you say and yet you have no right in Turkey to speak the truth , some f..ng idiot might shoot you or you may be arrested and charged with treason !
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Basically sunshine, just from the top of my head: we have the 3rd or 4th biggest army in the WORLD, our pilots keep winning very good positions in all the NATO competitions, we build our own F16 fighter jets along with many assault helicopters and we have just started to build some new technology ones together with France and Italy, not to mention the brand new ones we are about to buy from the US, we can deploy 3 MILLION soldiers in under 3 HOURS, you just had to IMPORT paid soldiers from Greece, around 2000 i think it was, therefore the base in Adana ALONE is enough to blow a fucking crater on the south of this island!

WE , WE WE, and you dare want Cyprus too. You are as you say a Turk not a Cypriot !
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In other words, sunshine, you can all be armed up to your arseholes if you want to, it wont make the slightest difference and to be honest not even your sweet mother land would dare to save your sorry asses if it came to it because she wouldnt even make it as far as Cyprus, not that it would come to this, but still being hypothetical, i would suggest you guys stick to the sneaky political bitch fight that you have been pursuing since your last defeat and just MAYBE you might get somewhere [/quote]

[shahmaran]

AND HERE IS THE PROUD TURK , NOT CYPRIOT BUT TURK :
Full of bravado and utterly irresponsible to his own people.

How is it "bravado" miltiades, i only speak the truth, and only because that's where the topic took us and it is being discussed, of course this is very typical of you, you will only judge me and not what the others have said about the Cypriot army...

I am a Cypriot TURK my friend, we have already established that you cannot separate the 2, so what are you talking about?

It was one of "our people" here who ridiculously suggested that Cyprus should attack Turkey, what do you call that?!

[miltiades]

Shah , war is the ultimate weapon of nations tah have lost all sense or reality and responsibility , a nation will attack another nation if it feels threatened. I hate any suggestion of war amongst Cypriots with more than likely resulting in a catastrophic conflict between Greece and Turkey , and thousands of people loosing their lives. When a few years ago an earthquake struck Turkey , we saw Greek rescue workers helping out in Turkey and the following year when an earthquake struck Greece we saw Turkish rescue workers helping out in Greece. These gestures are the spirit of civilization and were applauded by all decent people. To talk of insurrection between Greece and Turkey , to brag about Southern Turkey being attacked and turned to glass is pure nausea , coupled with stupidity and irresponsibility . NO DECENT CYPRIOT WANTS A WAR TODAY OR TOMORROW.
Sotos has made irresponsible war mongering noises in the past , Piratis has repeatedly brought into the argument the change of power scenario. Can you imagine what changes that would facilitate. Are we talking about the removal of all Turkish troops and and the annihilation of the T/Cs , or just merely destroy the Turkish forces. Where would the line be drawn Piratis ?
The responsible approach is through negotiations and the acceptance that the present situation was created mostly by the G/Cs and their determination that the T/Cs should capitulate and accept that they are but a minority in Cyprus so shut up and listen Ibrahim or else. Well , the military coup by the Greek officers and their puppets was the creation of the Greeks , Turkey was given the Green light not by the USA or Britain but by the Greek fanatics and irresponsible Cypriots who have caused so much heartache and misery to all of our people.

There are selfish individuals who will only consider their site of the coin , but the wise will look objectively at both sides. Lets cut the crap out about war , and another thing , Cyprus take on Turkey ???? Don't be redicoulous.
AND HERE SHAH IS THE DIFFENCE BETWEEN YOU AND I , THIS IS WHAT YOU SAY :

""""Turks have always been amazing fighters through out history, its in our nature what can we do But this is exactly why you were our BITCHES for 600 years as well, because you are such smart and educated people right? why werent you so clever back then instead of bending over like little girls

War is defiantly not something to be glorified, but it definitely is a factor within the survival of ALL species, and when it comes down to it, no one cares about you bumming young boys or how many philosophers you have got, its about winning, which you cant seem to be able to do """"

[shahmaran]

No mitliades, i say it in RESPONSE to a similarly leveled post, so no need for the patronising attitude, we all know how disastrous war can be, and i wouldn't wish it up on anyone, but we were speaking hypothetically, because some people suggested the possibility, and i was just giving my argument on the case...

I just wish you could sustain the level of morality and virtue when it came to other parts of the world, such as Iraq and Iran, because looking at your comments about the conflicts of these countries along with the US, i would say you are no angel yourself and can easily hold double standards, I however, only say it as it is, i try to calculate such events on an evolutionary basis, and try too keep in mind the struggle for life we all live for and everything we are willing to do for it, after all we are all humans no?

so there is another difference for you miltiades....

[Simon]

Shah, I think you are slightly underestimating Greece. Did you forget the Second World War? Greece pulled off the shock of the War by defeating Italy. Nobody would have given them much of a chance then either. As Wikipedia states:

"Greece dealt the first victory for the allies by resisting initial attempts of Italian invasion and pushing Mussolini's forces back into Albania. Hitler was reluctantly forced to send forces and delay the invasion of the Soviet Union by six weeks. This is considered the turning point of the war as the German invasion was disastrous as a result of the Russian winter."

It was much more recent than the Asia Minor disaster, which you keep referring to. Greece's military performance surpassed all expectations and others were full of superlatives. Winston Churchill famously said following Greece's victory: "Greeks don't fight like heroes, heroes fight like Greeks."

On a more recent note, Greece has a well trained army; many F-16 jets, state of the art missile systems, very capable Frigates etc. Therefore, what I am saying is, while Greece would not want a war with Turkey; I can guarantee you that Turkey would also not want a war with Greece. Without doubt, the Greeks could cause Turkey a lot of damage. Plus, it would be a huge split in NATO. Of course, nobody wants a war, I'm just warning you against your arrogance, with regards to Turkey's 'domination' as you seem to imply, over the region.

[Get Real!]

Basically sunshine, just from the top of my head: we have the 3rd or 4th biggest army in the WORLD, our pilots keep winning very good positions in all the NATO competitions, we build our own F16 fighter jets along with many assault helicopters and we have just started to build some new technology ones together with France and Italy, not to mention the brand new ones we are about to buy from the US, we can deploy 3 MILLION soldiers in under 3 HOURS, you just had to IMPORT paid soldiers from Greece, around 2000 i think it was, therefore the base in Adana ALONE is enough to blow a fucking crater on the south of this island!

1. Turkey has the 9th largest army.
2. There is a Lockheed Martin ASSEMBLY plant near Ankara where the Americans are just taking advantage of your cheap labor as they do in dozens of countries. Big deal!
3. You can't deploy jackshit in under 3 hours and not to mention that you don't have 3 million soldiers but 515,000.

Oh dear...

[Pyrpolizer]

Shah I will ask you a simple question:

Who is the bravest soldier, a Turk or an American?

[miltiades]

No mitliades, i say it in RESPONSE to a similarly leveled post, so no need for the patronising attitude, we all know how disastrous war can be, and i wouldn't wish it up on anyone, but we were speaking hypothetically, because some people suggested the possibility, and i was just giving my argument on the case...

I just wish you could sustain the level of morality and virtue when it came to other parts of the world, such as Iraq and Iran, because looking at your comments about the conflicts of these countries along with the US, i would say you are no angel yourself and can easily hold double standards, I however, only say it as it is, i try to calculate such events on an evolutionary basis, and try too keep in mind the struggle for life we all live for and everything we are willing to do for it, after all we are all humans no?

so there is another difference for you miltiades....

Shah , Britain as well as America and the rest of the free world went to war against the evil Nazis , and to many people Iran and Sadam were evil , and represent a real threat to world stability. Iran in possession of Nuclear weapons will be like a five year old behind the wheel of a jet fighter.The West must never permit such nations to possess such
weapons, a nation that has vowed to annihilate another nation can not be trusted to reach the state where it can carry out its' threat , I personally immensely mistrust any nation that has theocracy as its' guiding light.
Thankfully in Cyprus we have a secular society and long may we continue to have it. The Cypriots are not Iranians and do not represent a threat to any nation , the only likely threat is unfortunately to their own nation.

[shahmaran]

Basically sunshine, just from the top of my head: we have the 3rd or 4th biggest army in the WORLD, our pilots keep winning very good positions in all the NATO competitions, we build our own F16 fighter jets along with many assault helicopters and we have just started to build some new technology ones together with France and Italy, not to mention the brand new ones we are about to buy from the US, we can deploy 3 MILLION soldiers in under 3 HOURS, you just had to IMPORT paid soldiers from Greece, around 2000 i think it was, therefore the base in Adana ALONE is enough to blow a fucking crater on the south of this island!

1. Turkey has the 9th largest army.
2. There is a Lockheed Martin ASSEMBLY plant near Ankara where the Americans are just taking advantage of your cheap labor as they do in dozens of countries. Big deal!
3. You can't deploy jackshit in under 3 hours and not to mention that you don't have 3 million soldiers but 515,000.

Oh dear...

Are you dreaming man? we have 70 million people, which the male population over 18 are ALL soldiers trained for minimum 6 months up to 18 months COMPULSORY, that is meaning not including the professional soldiers and the women, and you seriously believe that 500K is all we can come up with?!

You guys are insisting on ignoring the real part of this debate, when Turkey and Greece DID actually fight and its results, and if you think it can be proven with stupid quotes from other leaders about the warriors, then trust me i can paste quite a few here from many people including famous old commanders, poets and thinkers...

I think I'm triggering a serious inferiority complex within some of you people, which is actually pretty funny to see