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[Jerry]

so when i talk about the Tc getting hurt AS BADLY AS THE GC s i am not balanced! I never deny that GC were hurt! I lost a house in Famagusta! I said that the reason Turkey moven in was justified by attrocities made by Samson and his clan. What is nore fair and balanced than the truth? and the fact that I live in the North while of GC origins does not show that I am willing to live with CYPRIOTS ON CYPRUS? if not this message then what kind of messages do you get? That I am an idiot like Get Real is saying day after day trying to provoke me?
By the way, the only thing that really stinks in England IS the government..we agree.. but who elected that government, the Queen?

No, Turkey moved in because as a result of outside interference from the Junta. Samson was a murdering arsehole but you have to ask yourself why? I don't have a problem with you living with Turkish Cypriots but in my view the north is little more than a Turkish province partly populated by TCs and you therefore are supporting Turkey and by implication what that country has done to Cyprus.

[BirKibrisli]

The reason why we think we can't live together as one nation now,is the same as the reason why we were not allowed to in the first place...Because it did not suit the interests of those big powers who still keep telling us how different we are,and how we couldn't possibly live together without slaughtering each other...And we are such stupid suckers we are still falling for it. Only now perhaps we have some excuses. EOKA and TMT did their best to stop us becoming a nation,often using terrorist tactics to drive their points home. We have thousands of people missing presumed dead. Some of these people were killed by their own side,but the blame was easily cast onto the other side.The real murderers lived for many years with impunity,and some still do,often looked upto as heros by their community... Hundreds of thousands of people were made refugees,as many more were driven into exile...These people were often given "the mushroom treatment" -kept in the dark and fed on bullshit!!! For the past 100 years,perhaps longer,there has been a systematic campaign to make the two sides hate each other.No one was spared and nothing was left untried in order to split us up...And this continues today mostly in the media and amongst politicians. What have we done in all this time to counter these winds of hatred?These floods of bitterness and pain? What are we doing now except paying lip service to our brotherhood?
We have been well and truly brainwashed to hate our brothers and sisters.We have swallowed whole loads of propaganda shit from both sides,but we can only see the one from the other side...We are scared out of our minds,we have been deeply traumatised by the terrible events,real or imaginary. Are we now surprised that we cannot stand above it all,and acknowledge the big con trick played on our nation,our people,ourselves...Are we really surprised that we "cannot get along"???

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

All this thread shows me is that there are evil people on this forum like Zan and VP that will go to any means necessary to keep Cypriots from their human rights for the sake of their nationalistic causes.

[Pyrpolizer]

so when i talk about the Tc getting hurt AS BADLY AS THE GC s i am not balanced! I never deny that GC were hurt! I lost a house in Famagusta! I said that the reason Turkey moven in was justified by attrocities made by Samson and his clan. What is nore fair and balanced than the truth? and the fact that I live in the North while of GC origins does not show that I am willing to live with CYPRIOTS ON CYPRUS? if not this message then what kind of messages do you get? That I am an idiot like Get Real is saying day after day trying to provoke me?
By the way, the only thing that really stinks in England IS the government..we agree.. but who elected that government, the Queen?

Nobody is accusing you of living and associating with the TCs. It would be a blessing if every GC were allowed to do the same.

We are accusing you of

1)Working with a special work permit, which only a few can get.
2) letting yourself be used.
3)feeding the TC/and Turkish etremists and partitionists with what they NEED towards partition having the signature of a GC
4) been deliberately biased just to satisfy a boss that you think is different than the 10-20 bosses you already had.
5)supporting an illegal, and fascist pseudo state based on theft and ethnic cleansing even of your own family.

Who else Fanouraki would call say:

"The president of the Republic Mr Talat...
The leader of the GC administration Tassos Papadopoulos..."

Who else would say in his articles "we the TCs". Are you a TC????

Tell me who else?

[Pyrpolizer]

And then you LIE and tell us your articles are not edited. Jerry is right. If they are not edited then someone else writes them for you.... And you just sell your name.

[Viewpoint]

This thread only goes to show we cannot agree shit... only Piratis metioned something of value which was that he acknowledged zan and myself do represent the majority of TCs who reside in the TRNC and Bir Kikapu are in fact the minority who live abroad and therefore do not have any real impact. He is 100% correct.

So really you need to persuade me and zan that a united Cyprus is better for us than the current situation.

If after crossing to the South you still haven't seen what's better for you and your community then you are incurable.

Hey i crossed to the south a bunch of times, and saw what was best for me and my community and that was definately NOT the south!

So, what didnt you like? Tell us what's so terrible.
Maybe you didnt like the fact that you dont see military camps every 100 meters? Maybe you didnt like the fact that we dont have statues of attaturk on the top of every hill or mountain? Maybe you didnt like the fact that we dont have street signs saying " I am proud to be a greek" ? Really, tell me what didnt you like and justify it. Cause the way i see it, you are just biased and nationalist enough not to see the difference between a free country and a militarized one.

Personally, i would be more happy if i read some posts trying to focus on positive issues and on our similarities... after all, we are all Cypriots and we belong in the same island.

Its the same as visiting a foreign land, some you like some you dont, it has nothing to do with us and we do not feel part of it, its a GC state run by GCs for GCs end of story. Ok for shopping and a change like going on holiday but you always get tired of it and want to come home to the TRNC.

[BirKibrisli]

And then you LIE and tell us your articles are not edited. Jerry is right. If they are not edited then someone else writes them for you.... And you just sell your name.

Yalancinin mumu yatsiya kadar yanar,dear Pyro...

An old Turkish saying meaning,"The Lier's candle goes out at sunset"!!!!

Fanos's candle has just gone out in another thread!!!

[Murataga]

Pyrpolizer wrote:

And then you LIE and tell us your articles are not edited. Jerry is right. If they are not edited then someone else writes them for you.... And you just sell your name.

This is as sad as an accusation gets... Come up with something real or just drop it, for you are only emabarassing your people. It is no secret that we (TCS and GCs) do not agree on many issues we discuss here, no doubt about it. But I`d like to believe that we have at least established some comon threshold for intellectual arguement.

fanourıo- I hope you are reading this and will take my advice into consideration: don`t waste your time trying to answer ridiculous posts like these. If God himself came down and told to their face the facts you wrote, they`d stamp it as "TC propaganda". Some of these people are completely brainwashed and have lost all their ability to question anything they were fed in the process. Their minds will not yield to any explanation, logic, reality, or facts no matter what. Keep on doing what you believe is right, our support is with you to the end.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

a Turkish nationalist telling others they are brainwashed - i detect an ounce of hypocrisy here.

[Eric dayi]

Talking about "unbalanced" I must say that out of all the crap I read in this thread the below by Bir has to be the best example.

The reason why we think we can't live together as one nation now,is the same as the reason why we were not allowed to in the first place...

Is that right????

Because it did not suit the interests of those big powers who still keep telling us how different we are,and how we couldn't possibly live together without slaughtering each other...

What big powers are you talking about Bir, care to name a few?

And we are such stupid suckers we are still falling for it.

Talk about yourself mate.

Only now perhaps we have some excuses.

What's your excuse?

EOKA and TMT did their best to stop us becoming a nation,often using terrorist tactics to drive their points home.

Ermmm...hang on, I thought you said it was the "big powers"?

We have thousands of people missing presumed dead. Some of these people were killed by their own side,but the blame was easily cast onto the other side.The real murderers lived for many years with impunity,and some still do,often looked upto as heros by their community... Hundreds of thousands of people were made refugees,as many more were driven into exile...These people were often given "the mushroom treatment" -kept in the dark and fed on bullshit!!! For the past 100 years,perhaps longer,there has been a systematic campaign to make the two sides hate each other.No one was spared and nothing was left untried in order to split us up...And this continues today mostly in the media and amongst politicians. What have we done in all this time to counter these winds of hatred?These floods of bitterness and pain? What are we doing now except paying lip service to our brotherhood?
We have been well and truly brainwashed to hate our brothers and sisters.We have swallowed whole loads of propaganda shit from both sides,but we can only see the one from the other side...We are scared out of our minds,we have been deeply traumatised by the terrible events,real or imaginary. Are we now surprised that we cannot stand above it all,and acknowledge the big con trick played on our nation,our people,ourselves...Are we really surprised that we "cannot get along"???

BRAVO, BRAVISIMO......How long did it take you to come up with this?

Have you forgotten about Crete or is that something that we Turks just imagined?

Bir, if you are so keen on living with the GC I am just wondering what the hell you are doing all the way in Oz and not have (or seem not to have) any inclination to moving to the South Greek Cyprus?

You know, your propaganda for a "united Cyprus" is so strong and pro GC, they might even make you the TC Vice President. Well, you'll never know unless you try, will ya?

Why don't you try and let us know what the GC's think about having you or any other TC as Vice President?

Or maybe it's because you read the UN report about the way the TC's are treated in the South and are scared shitless?

Bir, unless you move to the South Greek Cyprus side and actually live there no one will ever take what you say serious while you are some 8000 miles away.

BTW, are TC's allowed to run for "governmental" positions in the Greek South Cyprus?


PS: Who ever made the claim that Zan and VP belong to the majority in the TRNC is 100% correct, they are...or should I say, we are.