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[fanourıo]

Yes Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974. And yes the Turkish army killed people. It was war after all.... and yes there were atrocities for which nobody has apologised or accounted for. And yes there were 2000 dead and 1619 missing (most of which it is argued that were killed by EOKA B) from the Greek Side and another 500 from the Turkish Cypriot side.. and 200,000 GC refugees and another 80,000 TC refugees in their own country... But why did Turkey invade Cyprus?
Apart from the danger of ethnic cleansing due to the wish of the brainless Enosists, the protection of the TC against any FURTHER atrocities was a reason. Those who do not accept or do not know should be taught....and accept that the GC Nationalists are not any better than the Turkish Nationalists.....
Here it goes:-
Sept. 4, 1962 ,Panayia, Makarios : "Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race that has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered terminated."

Sept. 18, 1962 Former British Prime Minister Sir Alec Douglas-Home : "I was convinced that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island."

Dec. 28, 1963, the Daily Express' report from Cyprus: "We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there, and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears."

On Dec. 31, 1963, The Guardian : "It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualties were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of a doctor -- allegedly by a group of 40 men, many in army boots and great coats."

On Jan. 1, 1964, the Daily Herald : "When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighboring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house."

On Jan. 2, 1964, the Daily Telegraph : "The Greek Cypriot community should not assume that the British military presence can or should secure them against Turkish intervention if they persecute the Turkish Cypriots. We must not be a shelter for double-crossers."

On Jan. 12, 1964, the British High Commission in Nicosia wrote in a telegram to London: "The Greek [Cypriot] police are led by extremists who provoked the fighting and deliberately engaged in atrocities. They have recruited into their ranks as 'special constables' gun-happy young thugs. They threaten to try and punish any Turkish Cypriot police who wishes to return to the Cyprus Government.... Makarios assured Sir Arthur Clark that there will be no attack. His assurance is as worthless as previous assurances have proved."

On Jan. 14, 1964, the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on Dec. 26, 1963 and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross. A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by The Observer on Feb. 16, 1964; and there were many more.

On Feb. 6, 1964, a British patrol found armed Greek Cypriot police attacking the Turkish Cypriots of Ayios Sozomenos. They were unable to stop the attack.

On Feb. 13, 1964, the Greeks and Greek Cypriots attacked the Turkish Cypriot quarter of Limassol with tanks, killing 16 and injuring 35.

On Feb. 15, 1964, the Daily Telegraph reported: "It is a real military operation which the Greek Cypriots launched against the 6,000 inhabitants of the Turkish Cypriot quarter yesterday morning. A spokesman for the Greek Cypriot government has recognized this officially. It is hard to conceive how Greek and Turkish Cypriots may seriously contemplate working together after all that has happened."

On Sept. 10, 1964, the U.N. Secretary-General reported that "UNFICYP carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island during the disturbances. ...it shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish-Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In the Orphomita suburb of Nicosia, 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 240 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs."

On Jan. 14, 1964, "Il Giorno" of Italy reported: "Right now we are witnessing the exodus of Turkish Cypriots from the villages. Thousands of people abandoning homes, land, herds. Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This time the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the statues of Plato do not cover up their barbaric and ferocious behavior."

On July 22, the Washington Star News reported: "Bodies littered the streets and there were mass burials.... People told by Makarios to lay down their guns were shot by the National Guard."

On April 17, 1991, Ambassador Nelson Ledsky testified before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee that "most of the 'missing persons' disappeared in the first days of July 1974, before the Turkish intervention on the 20th. Many killed on the Greek side were killed by Greek Cypriots in fighting between supporters of Makarios and Sampson."

On July 23, 1974, the Washington Post reported that "in a Greek raid on a small Turkish village near Limassol 36 people out of a population of 200 were killed. The Greeks said that they had been given orders to kill the inhabitants of the Turkish villages before the Turkish forces arrived."

The Times and The Guardian also reported on the killings. "The Greeks began to shell the Turkish quarter on Saturday, refugees said. Kazan Dervis, a Turkish Cypriot girl aged 15, said she had been staying with her uncle. The [Greek Cypriot] National Guard came into the Turkish sector and shooting began. She saw her uncle and other relatives taken away as prisoners, and later heard her uncle had been shot." (Times 23.7.74)

On July 24, 1974 France Soir reported that "the Greeks burned Turkish mosques and set fire to Turkish homes in the villages around Famagusta. Defenseless Turkish villagers who have no weapons live in an atmosphere of terror and they evacuate their homes and go and live in tents in the forests. The Greeks' actions are a shame to humanity."

On July 22, Turkish Prime Minister Ecevit called upon the United Nations to "stop the genocide of Turkish-Cypriots" and declared, "Turkey has accepted a cease-fire, but will not allow Turkish-Cypriots to be massacred."

20 July 1974: Greek militants raid the Alaminos village in Nicosia and machine-gun to death 14 hand-tied people, most of whom are children and elderly.

21 July 1974: Greek Cypriots raid the village of Gaziveren in Nicosia and indiscriminately open fire on to each Turk they gun on their way. Result: six are killed, of whom four are women and 22 injured.

21 July 1974: 26 unarmed Turks in Limassol are killed. 1800 people are taken as hostages.

23 July 1974: At Angolem in Nicosia Greek Cypriots first torture eight Turks, including women, children and elderly, and then are killed by shooting them through the head.

13 August 1974: At Kithasi village in Paphos, an old couple was killed with an axe.

14 August 1974: At Tokhni and Mari villages in Larnaca, 50 and 40 Turks are massacred and put into mass-graves, respectively.

14-15 August 1974: In Famagusta district, Greek Cypriots line up and kill with machine-guns and then bury en masse and then burn with petrol, 54 people of the 57-person Turkish population of the Atlilar (Aloa) village, the entire 57 people of the Sandallar (Sandallaris) village and the entire 82 people of the Murataga (Maratha) village, not even sparing 2-3 year-old children.

15 August 1974: In Paphos, two children aged five and three are used by the Greek Cypriot soldiers as shooting targets and are killed with hundreds of shots. This scene almost drive mad the eyewitnesses.

16 August 1974: At Ayios Ioannis village in Paphos, seven Turks, one of whom is a woman, are tortured to death.

12 November 1974: Three children aged between 3 and 16 and two women are killed while going to the Turkish area from the Greek area.

Most of above are murder cases determined by the Unites Nations documents

Athens Court of Appeal dtd. March 21, 1979: The court decision reads as follows: "The Turkish intervention in Cyprus, which was carried out in accordance with the London-Zurich agreements, was legal. Turkey had, as one of the Guarantor Powers, the right to fulfill her obligation. The true guilty ones were the Greek Officers, who organised the coup and thereby created the conditions for an intervention."

"Turkey intervened to protect the lives and property of the Turkish-Cypriots, and to its credit it has done just that. In the 12 years since, there have been no killings and no massacres" Lord Willis (Labor) told the House of Lords on Dec. 17, 1986.

So , should we all put the past behind and start communicating or do you want to go to war?

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[ken910]

hear hear but more excuses will follow most greeks do not want to understand

[pitsilos]

fanos reporting live from down town paphos..cough...cough...warzone, while sippping on a cafe latte

[Piratis]

To understand what? That there was animosity and conflict between the two communities and that TCs also had a few 100s of casualties from it. Of course we understand that. We didn't need your totally one sided and distorted version of history to understand that.

The problem is not with what we don't understand the problem is with what you don't understand. Namely that if we harmed you once, you harmed as 100 times as much, and therefore what happen in history can not be an excuse for you to commit yet more crimes and illegalities.

Taking the events of a mere 5 years and a few 100s of casualties and writing pages and pages of propaganda about them, will never equal the 10s of thousands of people that you butchered in cold blood since the day you set your foot on our island, the decades of illegal occupation, the 200 thousand people that you ethnically cleansed and the 3 centuries of oppression against us.

So basically you are trying to show that we are murderers that deserve to be punished, when you are the worst kind of serial killers and not only you don't want to be punished, but you want a reward on our loss on top of it.

You can pay traitors like Fanos to find every little info that suits your propaganda and spice it up with several lies, but it will still not be enough. This is why your lame excuses can not legalize the illegal occupation.

So , should we all put the past behind and start communicating or do you want to go to war?

The war started when Turkey invaded Cyprus and will end when this illegality ends. You coming here and trying to provoke us is really pathetic and obviously has nothing to do with peace.

Apparently nobody reads that crappy newspaper you write for so they told you to post your propaganda here?

[askimwos]

Fanos, you really haven't told us anything we don't know about albeit with a bit of spicing up and totally ignoring the other sides losses. (btw the Turkish invation brought 6,000 dead and if we include another 1500 missing presummed dead then we reach 7500 and not 2,000 as you quoted)

As a human I detest the people that committed these atrocities and believe me GC and TC also died in their effort to confront and stop the killings from both sides.

What I cannot understand though is the continuous recycling of these information on this forum. Since two months ago that I joined the forum we have discussed these issues countless times and IMO GCs accepted that these happened. There have been some reservations some times about the way that the events unforlded, however, I have not seen anyone questioning the events in Tohni, Ktima or Ayios Vassilios which were the most severe ones.

The issue now is where we go from here, should we continue to post about these past attrocities or should we move on. Personally I am getting really bored with reiterating the same issues and the "policy" of some TCs in this forum to show how they suffered in the hands of GC "devils". I haven't seen any GC so far posting pictures of the killings during the invation or posting long lists of GC people that were killed by TC extremists prior to 1974 and I do not think that such an activity would contribute anything towards the discussion about the CyProb.

So please the next time before anyone posts something on this forum about past events and attrocities, think whether what you will be posting is something new that has not be posted before.

[zan]

Fanos, you really haven't told us anything we don't know about albeit with a bit of spicing up and totally ignoring the other sides losses. (btw the Turkish invation brought 6,000 dead and if we include another 1500 missing presummed dead then we reach 7500 and not 2,000 as you quoted)

As a human I detest the people that committed these atrocities and believe me GC and TC also died in their effort to confront and stop the killings from both sides.

What I cannot understand though is the continuous recycling of these information on this forum. Since two months ago that I joined the forum we have discussed these issues countless times and IMO GCs accepted that these happened. There have been some reservations some times about the way that the events unforlded, however, I have not seen anyone questioning the events in Tohni, Ktima or Ayios Vassilios which were the most severe ones.

The issue now is where we go from here, should we continue to post about these past attrocities or should we move on. Personally I am getting really bored with reiterating the same issues and the "policy" of some TCs in this forum to show how they suffered in the hands of GC "devils". I haven't seen any GC so far posting pictures of the killings during the invation or posting long lists of GC people that were killed by TC extremists prior to 1974 and I do not think that such an activity would contribute anything towards the discussion about the CyProb.

So please the next time before anyone posts something on this forum about past events and attrocities, think whether what you will be posting is something new that has not be posted before.

You have not been here long enough. When I joined this forum it was a place that only contained GCs and they reveled in bashing the Turks. You would have been shocked at what they were saying so we have made some progress in that anyway.

[free_cyprus]

greece turkey and britain ploted and executed the cyprus devide and rule for their own benefits and even cypriots were involved in the ugly saga of comiting crimes against their own people and yet no one mentions that

[fanourıo]

just ask how many Greek Cypriots were killed by Greek Cypriots and you will be surprised to be told NOBODY. Samson and his gang never existed.....they seem to forget very easily my friend....unfortunately some samson representatives are enlisted as members of this forum.....

[free_cyprus]

not only did greek speaking cypriots comit crimes but turkish speaking cypriots commited crimes against their own people the cypriots. this is something most cypriots donot except except me

[miltiades]

Fanos, you really haven't told us anything we don't know about albeit with a bit of spicing up and totally ignoring the other sides losses. (btw the Turkish invation brought 6,000 dead and if we include another 1500 missing presummed dead then we reach 7500 and not 2,000 as you quoted)

As a human I detest the people that committed these atrocities and believe me GC and TC also died in their effort to confront and stop the killings from both sides.

What I cannot understand though is the continuous recycling of these information on this forum. Since two months ago that I joined the forum we have discussed these issues countless times and IMO GCs accepted that these happened. There have been some reservations some times about the way that the events unforlded, however, I have not seen anyone questioning the events in Tohni, Ktima or Ayios Vassilios which were the most severe ones.

The issue now is where we go from here, should we continue to post about these past attrocities or should we move on. Personally I am getting really bored with reiterating the same issues and the "policy" of some TCs in this forum to show how they suffered in the hands of GC "devils". I haven't seen any GC so far posting pictures of the killings during the invation or posting long lists of GC people that were killed by TC extremists prior to 1974 and I do not think that such an activity would contribute anything towards the discussion about the CyProb.

So please the next time before anyone posts something on this forum about past events and attrocities, think whether what you will be posting is something new that has not be posted before.

You have not been here long enough. When I joined this forum it was a place that only contained GCs and they reveled in bashing the Turks. You would have been shocked at what they were saying so we have made some progress in that anyway.

Then you must , Zan , remember the battles I and many others had with the likes of Malaka (G/C ) Alexander (G/C ) that obnoxious woman (G/C ) AND NOT FORGETTING THE WORST OF THEM ALL SCOTZESA G/C .
Doesn't the fact that so many of us ridiculed and lambasted the views of such fanatics make you understand that there are amongst us sensible and responsible Cypriots .