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[Murataga]

Two quotes without comment...

(1) Archbishop Makarios III, in an interview with the Frankfurter Rundschau, reported in Cyprus Mail, 16 May 1974

"Enosis had always been for the Greek Cypriots a deeprooted national aspiration. To me independence is a comprimise. In other words, if I had a free choice between ENOSIS and independence, I would support ENOSIS."

(2) Archbishop Makarios III, in an interview given to the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet, 12 March 1977

"It is in the name of ENOSIS that Cyprus has been destroyed"

[Get Real!]

So the moral of this story is....

1. Makarios was honest

2. Makarios was a terrorist

3. Makarios was gay

4. Makarios was the archbishop

5. Makrios gave interviews

6. All of the above



Oh forget about Makarios now Murat-aga and tell us what your people REALLY want from the RoC...

That would be a lot more interesting to debate.

[eracles]

I'm still learning, probably like everybody, though some more open-minded than others...(get on with it!)
Ahem...anyway...

From a devils advocate perspective....

Why was wanting Enosis such a crime? The majority of the population of Cyprus wanted it. It was natural given the context at the time.

[Murataga]

eracles- nice to see someone that is open-minded and bold enough to question himself. Here is the answer to your question:

During the 1959 agreements ENOSIS was effectively barred in the constitution of the RoC. Mainly for two reasons: (1) the state was being given independence and ENOSIS meant the abolishment of free Cyprus and being the subjects of Greece (2) if GCs wanted ENOSIS, TCs had equally the righ to ask for partition, which effectively meant the dissolving of the RoC. Furthermore, if it was banned in the constitution no one can not try to activate it through a vote of the majority. That is a true misinterpretation of what democracy is. For example, if the slavery of Maronites was publicly voted in Cyprus and it got the majority of the votes, would it be applied? NO! If polgamy was voted by the majority of the society would it become legal? NO! If rape or theft was voted by the majority of the people, would it become legal and constitutional? NO! If ENOSIS was voted by the majority of the people would it be applied, become constituional or realized? NO! NO! NO!

[Murataga]

By the way... will be traveling during the next two weeks so might not be able answer posts. Just a heads up. Thanks.

[eracles]

But wasn't the idea of enosis dying post 1960 anyhow? By 1968. Makarios accepted that enosis could never happen, that it would cause major issues with turkey and that independence was preferable to enosis. So the point of your post above seems to be just to point out the guy's honesty. Was that your intention?

[T_C]

Two quotes without comment...

(1) Archbishop Makarios III, in an interview with the Frankfurter Rundschau, reported in Cyprus Mail, 16 May 1974

"Enosis had always been for the Greek Cypriots a deeprooted national aspiration. To me independence is a comprimise. In other words, if I had a free choice between ENOSIS and independence, I would support ENOSIS."

Not according to what murataga quoted...

[iceman]

How old is this enosis idea anyway?

[Murataga]

eracles- unfortunately NO it wasn`t... To the contrary it was gaining momentum and becoming the national policy of the GC administration. Read this if you will:

The Greek Cypriot House of Representatives Journal of June 27 1967, reported that, on June 26 the deputies had unanimously passed a resolution declaring that the struggle for ENOSIS would continue until the union of Cyprus with the motherland, Greece, was achieved:

"Interpreting the age-long aspirations of the Greeks of Cyprus, the House declares that despite any adverse circumstances it will not suspend the struggle being conducted with the support of all Greeks, until this struggle ends in success through the union of the whole and undivided Cyprus with the motherland, without any intermediary stage."

This was in in complete cntravention to the principles on which the RoC was built on. More imortantly, it makes it crystal clear what the TC resistance was all about.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Two quotes without comment...

(1) Archbishop Makarios III, in an interview with the Frankfurter Rundschau, reported in Cyprus Mail, 16 May 1974

"Enosis had always been for the Greek Cypriots a deeprooted national aspiration. To me independence is a comprimise. In other words, if I had a free choice between ENOSIS and independence, I would support ENOSIS."

(2) Archbishop Makarios III, in an interview given to the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet, 12 March 1977

"It is in the name of ENOSIS that Cyprus has been destroyed"

I find these quotes hard to believe seeing that it is a recognised fact that Makarios was openly against enosis by 1974, thus being the main reason why EOKA B tried to assasinate him. He was openly leaning towards the 'left' and threatened to make Cyprus the Cuba of the Med.

Anyway great, ive just wasted two minutes of my life responded to Turkish propaganda from Turkish nationalist morons like Murataga.

By the way... will be traveling during the next two weeks so might not be able answer posts. Just a heads up. Thanks.

Take your time. thanks.