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[Get Real!]

Turkish Cypriot political activities did not start until the middle of past century but GC's organised activities towards ENOSIS go way back more than a century...You accuse TC's for joining British Auxiliary Corps against GC's....Tell me,did you ever have any intention of sharing independence with TC's when you decided forming EOKA to fight the British? Did you ask TC's for help to fight for independent democratic Cyprus against the British?
Do not tell me about Turkeys startegic desires over Cyprus because it is a known fact that begining of last century when Kemal Ataturk formed the modern Turkish Republic of Turkey had no such policy for Cyprus..

I'm going to go RIGHT BACK to 1571 and ask...

WHY DID YOU COME TO A GREEK NATURED CHRISTIAN ISLAND AND DISTURB THE PEACE FOR 400 YEARS SO THAT YOU AND I ARE TODAY (2007) IN THIS PREDICAMENT???

I DEMAND TO SEE YOUR INVITATION!!!

[Piratis]

Iceman, I have already said that if a true independence was possible then I would support it (if I was alive back then) because it would be a way that could serve the interests of a greater majority of Cypriots.

So we can agree that pursuing that goal would be wiser and would make it much harder for the British to apply their divide and rule tactics. So I can perfectly agree with that.

But you also have to agree that one thing is to say that the enosis cause in the 50s was not the most wise move for liberation, and another thing is to say that GCs wanting enosis was something criminal.

[askimwos]

A true independence was never offered.

What i understand from your above comment is that Greece offered GC's partial independence through ENOSIS and you accepted....am i right?

TRUE independence can never be offered to anyone my friend..It is the ultimate prize for people who wish to be their own boss...Obviously you didnt.
Had you not chosen ENOSIS we could have both fought for it side by side and not even Turkey or Greece or the British could have stopped us from achieving it...

"When the armed struggle started, the British had at their disposal thousands of men and could even increase their existing numbers to put down the EOKA struggle. This they did not do, but they formed instead the well known Auxiliary Corps. The ordinary Turkish Cypriots, who did not realize where the British were leading them (since their leadership did not warn them, rather it encouraged them), hastened to reinforce this Auxiliary Corps thinking only of securing a living.
Thus, the Greek Cypriots, who thought that they were waging a holy struggle against the British, found themselves facing the Turkish Cypriots. In this way the British started submitting to the Turkish community their plans for partition."
Ibrahim Aziz, 'The Historical Course of the Turkish Cypriot Community', 1981

"Although the nucleus of the first Turkish Cypriot political party was organised in 1942, it was not until 1955 that the Turkish Cypriot community became politically active. Within the next three years, a community political structure was developed as a result not only of efforts of Turkish Cypriot leaders to oppose enosis, but also of encouragement from British and Turkish officials who were seeking to safeguard their countries' strategic interests".
Dr Fazil Kutchuk in interview to RA Patrick, Doctoral Dissertation, London School of Economics and Political Science, 1972

"Cyprus is another Alexandretta in the history of Turkey. The power of Turkey will ensure an honorable life for the Turkish Cypriots in the same way as it did in Alexandretta by annexing it and bringing it under Turkish domination. The road in this direction has been opened by the Turkish fighters at Kokkina, who are now fighting in every corner of Cyprus"
Halkan Sesi, mouthpiece of Turkish Cypriot leadership, 9 August 1965

"The Turkish fighters have pledged to fight on until the realization of partition. The attitude of the Turkish minority has been admittedly one of provoking division and instigating armed conflict with the aim of partition."
Halkan Sesi, mouthpiece of Turkish Cypriot leadership, 29 February 1964

Turkish Cypriot political activities did not start until the middle of past century but GC's organised activities towards ENOSIS go way back more than a century...You accuse TC's for joining British Auxiliary Corps against GC's....Tell me,did you ever have any intention of sharing independence with TC's when you decided forming EOKA to fight the British? Did you ask TC's for help to fight for independent democratic Cyprus against the British?
Do not tell me about Turkeys startegic desires over Cyprus because it is a known fact that begining of last century when Kemal Ataturk formed the modern Turkish Republic of Turkey had no such policy for Cyprus..

Come on iceman, they did not even ask the left to help for independence. In fact Grivan in his declaration made it clear that the left was not welcome.

[iceman]

Turkish Cypriot political activities did not start until the middle of past century but GC's organised activities towards ENOSIS go way back more than a century...You accuse TC's for joining British Auxiliary Corps against GC's....Tell me,did you ever have any intention of sharing independence with TC's when you decided forming EOKA to fight the British? Did you ask TC's for help to fight for independent democratic Cyprus against the British?
Do not tell me about Turkeys startegic desires over Cyprus because it is a known fact that begining of last century when Kemal Ataturk formed the modern Turkish Republic of Turkey had no such policy for Cyprus..

I'm going to go RIGHT BACK to 1571 and ask...

WHY DID YOU COME TO A GREEK NATURED CHRISTIAN ISLAND AND DISTURB THE PEACE FOR 400 YEARS SO THAT YOU AND I ARE TODAY (2007) IN THIS PREDICAMENT???

I DEMAND TO SEE YOUR INVITATION!!!

You keep forgetting the fact that the Ottomans defeated the Catholic Latins and liberated your Orthodox church when they conquered Cyprus

The conquest of 1571 of the island by the Ottoman Turks was a liberation for the bulk of the Greek Orthodox population. Indeed, in some areas, such as Lefkara, there had been local risings against the Venetians in support of the Ottoman forces. Serfdom was abolished and the peasant families were given the freehold of the land they had worked for centuries.

The Orthodox Church was also freed from centuries of control by the Latin hierarchy and its previous tradition of independence reasserted under a revived archbishopric. On the other hand, the Catholic Church of the Crusader and Venetian rulers were expelled. Its building were confiscated and converted into mosques, or were sold to the Orthodox Church. Catholics on the island were given the choice of conversion (either to Islam or Orthodoxy) or exile.

At the same time a number of soldiers, and craftsmen from Anatolia, were settled on the island. Apart from a reservation within the walls of Famagusta, there was no strategic placement of these immigrants, and they were fairly evenly distributed around the island. The policy was energetically pursued until about 30,000 Muslim Turks had been settled on the island amongst a population of perhaps 150,000 Greek-Cypriots. This proportion, around, 1:5, is still true today.

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/history ... index.html

[Get Real!]

You keep forgetting the fact that the Ottomans defeated the Catholic Latins and liberated your Orthodox church when they conquered Cyprus

The conquest of 1571 of the island by the Ottoman Turks was a liberation for the bulk of the Greek Orthodox population. Indeed, in some areas, such as Lefkara, there had been local risings against the Venetians in support of the Ottoman forces. Serfdom was abolished and the peasant families were given the freehold of the land they had worked for centuries.

The Orthodox Church was also freed from centuries of control by the Latin hierarchy and its previous tradition of independence reasserted under a revived archbishopric. On the other hand, the Catholic Church of the Crusader and Venetian rulers were expelled. Its building were confiscated and converted into mosques, or were sold to the Orthodox Church. Catholics on the island were given the choice of conversion (either to Islam or Orthodoxy) or exile.

At the same time a number of soldiers, and craftsmen from Anatolia, were settled on the island. Apart from a reservation within the walls of Famagusta, there was no strategic placement of these immigrants, and they were fairly evenly distributed around the island. The policy was energetically pursued until about 30,000 Muslim Turks had been settled on the island amongst a population of perhaps 150,000 Greek-Cypriots. This proportion, around, 1:5, is still true today.

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/history ... index.html

Spare me the crap from your "TRNC" page. I ask again...

WHERE IS YOUR INVITATION?

[Simon]

You liberated nothing. Liberating means allowing us to be free to decide our future. Did you do that? No. You did the opposite, which was replacing one occupier (the Venetians) with another (Ottoman Turks).

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

I often ask. Why did Greeks and Jews had to be on the same planet as us. Its so fucking obvious the world would have been a better place without them.

I think most of the middle east and north Africa say the same thing about the Turks lol. You have to be the most unpopular country in the region.

[zan]

Turkish Cypriot political activities did not start until the middle of past century but GC's organised activities towards ENOSIS go way back more than a century...You accuse TC's for joining British Auxiliary Corps against GC's....Tell me,did you ever have any intention of sharing independence with TC's when you decided forming EOKA to fight the British? Did you ask TC's for help to fight for independent democratic Cyprus against the British?
Do not tell me about Turkeys startegic desires over Cyprus because it is a known fact that begining of last century when Kemal Ataturk formed the modern Turkish Republic of Turkey had no such policy for Cyprus..

I'm going to go RIGHT BACK to 1571 and ask...

WHY DID YOU COME TO A GREEK NATURED CHRISTIAN ISLAND AND DISTURB THE PEACE FOR 400 YEARS SO THAT YOU AND I ARE TODAY (2007) IN THIS PREDICAMENT???

I DEMAND TO SEE YOUR INVITATION!!!

The donkeys are asking the same of you.

[T_C]

"NO its MY land, now all of you can **** off!"

[zan]

Now I am going to get me some f***ing donkey.