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[Piratis]

TC's hated the idea of ENOSIS because GC's planned to achieve their goal by robbing them from their rights and exterminating them

Thats what they teach you at your schools, and like most other things, it is not true.

Finally we agree on a point here...
If you had desired true independence for all then you would most definately have had the backing of the TC's also and we wouldnt have been in this situation..

Was a true independence ever an option proposed to us?

[zan]

TC's hated the idea of ENOSIS because GC's planned to achieve their goal by robbing them from their rights and exterminating them

Thats what they teach you at your schools, and like most other things, it is not true.

Finally we agree on a point here...
If you had desired true independence for all then you would most definately have had the backing of the TC's also and we wouldnt have been in this situation..

Was a true independence ever an option proposed to us?

We also teach 1+1=2....they are both right.

[zan]

Was a true independence ever an option proposed to us?

Three times your preists refused it because ENOSIS was not on the same table.

http://web.deu.edu.tr/kibris/articles/hist.html

[Piratis]

1+1=2 and 82>18 right? Or 1+1 is the highest of your education.

Three times your preists refused it because ENOSIS was not on the same table.

http://web.deu.edu.tr/kibris/articles/hist.html

Teach that to your children. I don't have time to waste for crap. A true independence was never offered. Simple fact that only Turks could possibly deny.

[zan]

1+1=2 and 82>18 right? Or 1+1 is the highest of your education.

Three times your preists refused it because ENOSIS was not on the same table.

http://web.deu.edu.tr/kibris/articles/hist.html

Teach that to your children. I don't have time to waste for crap. A true independence was never offered. Simple fact that only Turks could possibly deny.

True....In Greek terms means.............enter the Piratis...blah blah human rights blah blah.

[iceman]

A true independence was never offered.

What i understand from your above comment is that Greece offered GC's partial independence through ENOSIS and you accepted....am i right?

TRUE independence can never be offered to anyone my friend..It is the ultimate prize for people who wish to be their own boss...Obviously you didnt.
Had you not chosen ENOSIS we could have both fought for it side by side and not even Turkey or Greece or the British could have stopped us from achieving it...

[Piratis]

Are you sure that you would have fought with us side by side for a true independence which would mean a democratic Cyprus as a result? Would you accept democracy also, were all Cypriots are equal regardless of race? Or you would insist, as you always have been, that each TC should have way more rights than each GC?

I don't know how far you will go with your theories, but I know how the TCs have acted and still act today, so it makes it really hard to believe what you say.

[iceman]

Are you sure that you would have fought with us side by side for a true independence which would mean a democratic Cyprus as a result? Would you accept democracy also, were all Cypriots are equal regardless of race? Or you would insist, as you always have been, that each TC should have way more rights than each GC?

I don't know how far you will go with your theories, but I know how the TCs have acted and still act today, so it makes it really hard to believe what you say.

Yes i am positively sure we would have fought side by side for an independent democratic Cyprus where every Cypriot was equal regardless of its race..

Tell me just when did TC's insist on having more rights than GC's??

Todays policies are only a result of the past sour experiences due to GC's ENOSIS desire...

[Get Real!]

A true independence was never offered.

What i understand from your above comment is that Greece offered GC's partial independence through ENOSIS and you accepted....am i right?

TRUE independence can never be offered to anyone my friend..It is the ultimate prize for people who wish to be their own boss...Obviously you didnt.
Had you not chosen ENOSIS we could have both fought for it side by side and not even Turkey or Greece or the British could have stopped us from achieving it...

"When the armed struggle started, the British had at their disposal thousands of men and could even increase their existing numbers to put down the EOKA struggle. This they did not do, but they formed instead the well known Auxiliary Corps. The ordinary Turkish Cypriots, who did not realize where the British were leading them (since their leadership did not warn them, rather it encouraged them), hastened to reinforce this Auxiliary Corps thinking only of securing a living.
Thus, the Greek Cypriots, who thought that they were waging a holy struggle against the British, found themselves facing the Turkish Cypriots. In this way the British started submitting to the Turkish community their plans for partition."
Ibrahim Aziz, 'The Historical Course of the Turkish Cypriot Community', 1981

"Although the nucleus of the first Turkish Cypriot political party was organised in 1942, it was not until 1955 that the Turkish Cypriot community became politically active. Within the next three years, a community political structure was developed as a result not only of efforts of Turkish Cypriot leaders to oppose enosis, but also of encouragement from British and Turkish officials who were seeking to safeguard their countries' strategic interests".
Dr Fazil Kutchuk in interview to RA Patrick, Doctoral Dissertation, London School of Economics and Political Science, 1972

"Cyprus is another Alexandretta in the history of Turkey. The power of Turkey will ensure an honorable life for the Turkish Cypriots in the same way as it did in Alexandretta by annexing it and bringing it under Turkish domination. The road in this direction has been opened by the Turkish fighters at Kokkina, who are now fighting in every corner of Cyprus"
Halkan Sesi, mouthpiece of Turkish Cypriot leadership, 9 August 1965

"The Turkish fighters have pledged to fight on until the realization of partition. The attitude of the Turkish minority has been admittedly one of provoking division and instigating armed conflict with the aim of partition."
Halkan Sesi, mouthpiece of Turkish Cypriot leadership, 29 February 1964

[iceman]

A true independence was never offered.

What i understand from your above comment is that Greece offered GC's partial independence through ENOSIS and you accepted....am i right?

TRUE independence can never be offered to anyone my friend..It is the ultimate prize for people who wish to be their own boss...Obviously you didnt.
Had you not chosen ENOSIS we could have both fought for it side by side and not even Turkey or Greece or the British could have stopped us from achieving it...

"When the armed struggle started, the British had at their disposal thousands of men and could even increase their existing numbers to put down the EOKA struggle. This they did not do, but they formed instead the well known Auxiliary Corps. The ordinary Turkish Cypriots, who did not realize where the British were leading them (since their leadership did not warn them, rather it encouraged them), hastened to reinforce this Auxiliary Corps thinking only of securing a living.
Thus, the Greek Cypriots, who thought that they were waging a holy struggle against the British, found themselves facing the Turkish Cypriots. In this way the British started submitting to the Turkish community their plans for partition."
Ibrahim Aziz, 'The Historical Course of the Turkish Cypriot Community', 1981

"Although the nucleus of the first Turkish Cypriot political party was organised in 1942, it was not until 1955 that the Turkish Cypriot community became politically active. Within the next three years, a community political structure was developed as a result not only of efforts of Turkish Cypriot leaders to oppose enosis, but also of encouragement from British and Turkish officials who were seeking to safeguard their countries' strategic interests".
Dr Fazil Kutchuk in interview to RA Patrick, Doctoral Dissertation, London School of Economics and Political Science, 1972

"Cyprus is another Alexandretta in the history of Turkey. The power of Turkey will ensure an honorable life for the Turkish Cypriots in the same way as it did in Alexandretta by annexing it and bringing it under Turkish domination. The road in this direction has been opened by the Turkish fighters at Kokkina, who are now fighting in every corner of Cyprus"
Halkan Sesi, mouthpiece of Turkish Cypriot leadership, 9 August 1965

"The Turkish fighters have pledged to fight on until the realization of partition. The attitude of the Turkish minority has been admittedly one of provoking division and instigating armed conflict with the aim of partition."
Halkan Sesi, mouthpiece of Turkish Cypriot leadership, 29 February 1964

Turkish Cypriot political activities did not start until the middle of past century but GC's organised activities towards ENOSIS go way back more than a century...You accuse TC's for joining British Auxiliary Corps against GC's....Tell me,did you ever have any intention of sharing independence with TC's when you decided forming EOKA to fight the British? Did you ask TC's for help to fight for independent democratic Cyprus against the British?
Do not tell me about Turkeys startegic desires over Cyprus because it is a known fact that begining of last century when Kemal Ataturk formed the modern Turkish Republic of Turkey had no such policy for Cyprus..