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[cameron_roxburgh]

Cyprus


Segnorees apo tin kopsi too spathyoo tin tromeri;
Segnorees apo tin opsi poo me vya metra tin yee.
Ap ta kokkala vyalmenee ton elleenon ta ye ra
Ke san prawt' anthreeomenee hyer'o hyeri eleftherya.
Ke san prawt' anthreeomenee hyer'o hye r'eleftherya,
Ke san prawt' anthreeomenee hyer'o hye r'eleftherya.

English:


I shall always recognise you
By the dreadful sword you hold,
As the earth, with searching vision,
You survey, with spirit bold.
'Twas the Greeks of old whose dying
Brought to birth our spirit free.
Now, with ancient valour rising,
Let us hail you, Oh Liberty!
Now, with ancient valour rising,
Let us hail you, Liberty,
Now, with ancient valour rising,
Let us hail you, Liberty!

[rawk]

Villawagen, the reason is that until 1960 Cyprus had been a British colony. The 82% of Cypriots, who are Greeks like the Greeks of Crete, Rhodes and every other island, wanted to be decolonized and join the newly founded Greek state, like the other Greek islands did. For example Crete joined the Greek state in 1913, not much earlier. Until then liberation meant that, since no island in Med sea was independent. (Cyprus was the first in 1960, and the only other is Malta)

However the British didn't like the idea of Cyprus going to Greece as this wouldn't serve their strategic interests (wouldn't be able to keep 2 so huge bases that way) so they got the Turks into the game and forced GCs to accept some semi-independence with things that exist in no other truly independent country, such as armies from foreign countries being stationed here (either we liked it or not), the "Guarantor" rights, and a several other crap that couldn't possibly work out.
So Greek Cypriots were screwed, and what they got to keep was the anthem.

Of course today personally I would support for Cyprus to have its own separate anthem as things have changed since the 60s, but I told you all this so the next time you will hear Cyprus play the Greek national anthem it will not sound that strange to you.

You are such an historian. Piratis!

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us all about where all the Turkish people in Crete went then?

Just interested.

Rawk

[Simon]

I'll help you Rawk. It was called the 'population exchange' between Greece and Turkey following the war in Asia Minor. It is true that some others were forced out, others left after knowing the Greeks had taken over; but what do you expect after just gaining independence after hundreds of years of subjugation?

The 'Turks' or 'Greek Muslims' in Thrace have survived and their numbers have grown.

Can you now answer my question. What happened to all the Greeks in Istanbul who were left out of the population exchange?

Just interested.

[T_C]

Villawagen, the reason is that until 1960 Cyprus had been a British colony. The 82% of Cypriots, who are Greeks like the Greeks of Crete, Rhodes and every other island, wanted to be decolonized and join the newly founded Greek state, like the other Greek islands did. For example Crete joined the Greek state in 1913, not much earlier. Until then liberation meant that, since no island in Med sea was independent. (Cyprus was the first in 1960, and the only other is Malta)

However the British didn't like the idea of Cyprus going to Greece as this wouldn't serve their strategic interests (wouldn't be able to keep 2 so huge bases that way) so they got the Turks into the game and forced GCs to accept some semi-independence with things that exist in no other truly independent country, such as armies from foreign countries being stationed here (either we liked it or not), the "Guarantor" rights, and a several other crap that couldn't possibly work out.
So Greek Cypriots were screwed, and what they got to keep was the anthem.

Of course today personally I would support for Cyprus to have its own separate anthem as things have changed since the 60s, but I told you all this so the next time you will hear Cyprus play the Greek national anthem it will not sound that strange to you.

You are such an historian. Piratis!

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us all about where all the Turkish people in Crete went then?

Just interested.

Rawk

Good question rawk!

I'll help you Rawk. It was called the 'population exchange' between Greece and Turkey following the war in Asia Minor. It is true that some others were forced out, others left after knowing the Greeks had taken over; but what do you expect after just gaining independence after hundreds of years of subjugation?

The 'Turks' or 'Greek Muslims' in Thrace have survived and their numbers have grown.

Can you now answer my question. What happened to all the Greeks in Istanbul who were left out of the population exchange?

Just interested.

Bad answer simon!

The answer to your question is the same thing that happened to the Turks in Crete in the "population exchange". Whatever answer you see fit then enlighten your own self because the answer to both is the same...but don't come here trying to make excuses for one while condeming the other

[Simon]

turkish cypriot I didn't expect you to view history independently, therefore, you reply doesn't surprise me.

Your answer to my question is completely incorrect. I even tried to avoid posters replying in that way by explicitly stating those "who were left out of the population exchange." There were around 200,000 Greeks left in Istanbul after the population exchange, today, there are only 5,000 left. Where have they gone? Let me help you considering you do not seem to be aware of the history. Click on the link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Pogrom

[T_C]

Simon I know they were killed hence why I said "population exchange". But look at your answer on the Turks of Crete, you claim just about everything happened to them apart from them being murdered which is so lame!

[humanist]

villawagen, sadly Cyprus does not have a natioanl anthem or should I say sadly we share the same national anthem as greece, which I find disapointing as it is not representative of all Cypriots and furthemore shows a country that has not grown up be independent.
Perhaps the RoC is waiting for unification so that we could come up with an anthem that represents the whole Island and all Cypriots iresepctive of their ethno-linguistic background.

[Simon]

Turkish Cypriot, it is common knowledge that MOST Turks left Crete in the population exchange. Of course some were killed, that is why I said "some were forced out." However, like I also said, Crete was fighting for independence for a long time, and were treated awfully by the Turks; who also killed many Cretans. Therefore, what else do you expect? The Cretan situation is completely different to the Istanbul one anyway, as in Istanbul, it was more systematic, based on lies, and was actually much more recent. Further, there was no freedom fighting involved. Look at how ethnic Turks' numbers have grown in Thrace, who, like the Greeks in Istanbul, were protected minorities.

[villawagen]

villawagen, sadly Cyprus does not have a natioanl anthem or should I say sadly we share the same national anthem as greece, which I find disapointing as it is not representative of all Cypriots and furthemore shows a country that has not grown up be independent.
Perhaps the RoC is waiting for unification so that we could come up with an anthem that represents the whole Island and all Cypriots iresepctive of their ethno-linguistic background.

this is what i was trying to understand!!! its like when Australia and New Zealand played god save the queen, back in the day.

why should they use god save the queen as there national anthem
Britain was on the other side of the world
times have changed now of course as they have grown independent of the so called motherland !!!!

i think Cyprus should do the same !!!
get your own anthem people of Cyprus and show the world your independence