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[zan]

When you guys stop trying to blur the edges and start accepting who is to blame for the start of all of this then and only then we can go forward. A token “we both suffered” is not enough to absolve you of the blame and the continued assault on us. You have no automatic return of land rights left and unless a real and lasting solution is sort by the RoC and they dissolve before making any more demands then nothing will happen and we will go down the route of partition. Those that are working in Piratis’ group can ignore this plea but those that are genuinely concerned and seek a permanent and fare deal should be very concerned about what their fellow countrymen are doing.



Pavlos Dinglis


Pavlos writes:

1. By 1962 Makarios had decided for the modification of the Constitution. Greece was dead against it and Kennedy also told him not to go ahead. Ismet Inonu warned Makarios not even to think about it. AKEL suggested to Makarios to unilaterally declare void the guarantor agreement, before changing the Constitution.

2. Makarios totally ignored everyone and his 13 points released a storm and even today we get what we asked for. At the Security Council, during early 1964, Spyros Kyprianou (Foreign Secretary) told members that no one was legalised to intervene in the internal affairs of a sovereign state.

3. On April 4 1964, Makarios denounced the alliance agreement. Turkey and Britain ignored him. A political issue could not be tackled with legalistic mumble.

4. The notorious Akritas Plan laid the political and material foundation for the path to change the Constitution. Papadopoulos was the main author of the Plan and the vice leader of the Organisation. Yiorgatzis was the leader. The target was Enosis but this was concealed under the veil of self determination. According to the plan, the modifications were to be enacted unilaterally since the Turkish side would never agree to them. The imposition of the changes would be achieved with the help of “the state forces” or even “friendly military forces”. These so called friendly military forces comprised of 1800 armed men belonging to the paramilitary groups of Sampson, Yiorgatzis and Lissarides.

5. The Plan itself gives a striking answer to those that kid themselves that it was just a proposition. Makarios had decided to impose the Plan unilaterally and dynamically. Something that shows that this was the case is the refusal of Makarios in 1965 to accept a proposal by the Turkish Cypriot MP’s to return to their seats, provided that the Zurich agreements would be reiterated. Klerides, who was the President of the House at the time, wrote in a statement that separate majorities were done with and the signature of the Vice President was no longer required and the Turkish Cypriot MP’s had no legal status. Thus, the position of the Vice President was, for all intense and purposes, abolished. In this way we lost a golden opportunity to return to normalcy, changing in the meantime the Constitution unilaterally, according to the Akritas Plan.

6. Lesson to be learnt:

• International agreements cannot be thrown into the dustbin, especially unilaterally. This applies especially for small countries like Cyprus. We have no sense of our size, it seems.
• The Cyprus issue is a political issue and not a legal one.
• Compromises are an inseparable part of policies
• The path of recrimination and collision is a terrible one to take. We need to take the path of reconciliation and debate.

How much wiser are we from our tragic past? The way Papadopoulos has handled the issue for the last 4 years has shown that the mentality of the 60’s is on the forefront. The path to disaster which started by Makarios is still followed. We are led towards the upgrading of the “state”, towards the two states, without inverted commas. Can we hold on to the last weed on the edge of the cliff?

The downing of the wall was a positive step. Hopefully it was not a result of outside pressure not a pre election gimmick. Talat made unacceptable arguments regarding the opening of Ledra and Limnitis. The Greek Cypriot side must regain the initiative. We need to undertake bold initiatives. No more preparations. It’s time for deeds. Papadopoulos should accept the invitation to meet Talat. No more legalistic and formalistic approaches. The road to reunification must open!

[Viewpoint]

Not with Papadop at the GC helm....get rid of him and you might get somewhere.

[Get Real!]

Not with Papadop at the GC helm....get rid of him and you might get somewhere.

Cyprus has a preset policy with regards to the Cyprus problem and regardless of who comes to power the policy must and will be adhered to.

For starters don't ever expect any leader to place the TCs in front of the island's sovereignty.

Second, the interests of the 750,000 odd people living under the RoC will always be priority so don't expect him to jeopardize his people for the sake of a minority that actually parlays with the enemy.

For your info, TP is actually a very center-wing leader so be careful what you wish for.

[Viewpoint]

Not with Papadop at the GC helm....get rid of him and you might get somewhere.

Cyprus has a preset policy with regards to the Cyprus problem and regardless of who comes to power the policy must and will be adhered to.

For starters don't ever expect any leader to place the TCs in front of the island's sovereignty.

Second, the interests of the 750,000 odd people living under the RoC will always be priority so don't expect him to jeopardize his people for the sake of a minority that actually parlays with the enemy.

For your info, TP is actually a very center-wing leader so be careful what you wish for.

So we can expect more of the same alienating policies and no progress, where has this administration gotten you in 4 years?

[Get Real!]

Not with Papadop at the GC helm....get rid of him and you might get somewhere.

Cyprus has a preset policy with regards to the Cyprus problem and regardless of who comes to power the policy must and will be adhered to.

For starters don't ever expect any leader to place the TCs in front of the island's sovereignty.

Second, the interests of the 750,000 odd people living under the RoC will always be priority so don't expect him to jeopardize his people for the sake of a minority that actually parlays with the enemy.

For your info, TP is actually a very center-wing leader so be careful what you wish for.

So we can expect more of the same alienating policies and no progress, where has this administration gotten you in 4 years?

I believe Cyprus will only accept assimilation, regardless of other arrangements being "discussed", and if she cannot achieve that she will postpone the problem to a future date until it is possible.

Cyprus has embarked on a maniacal upgrade of her World standing because she realizes that's what matters if you are to get what you want. The most recent development is the EU Mediterranean Civil Aviation hub that Cyprus will be undertaking. This also proves the faith the EU has in Cyprus contrary to the opinions of shortsighted fools such as Nicos Rolandis and a few others.

In five years time half the TC population will be employed and perhaps even living in the South. Within the first decade most TCs will be so preoccupied with RoC capitalism that they'll be looking at a "TRNC" flag and be wondering where they'd seen that before.

Such is the power of money; what the RoC lacks in numbers and military might she can make up for in business astuteness and usefulness to the EU.

[Piratis]

For your info, TP is actually a very center-wing leader so be careful what you wish for.

Actually he is more like center-right and admittedly his marketing skills are very mediocre.

Beyond that he is doing what he was elected to do and he correctly represents the majority of Cypriots, in the case of the Cyprus problem at least.

[Viewpoint]

Not with Papadop at the GC helm....get rid of him and you might get somewhere.

Cyprus has a preset policy with regards to the Cyprus problem and regardless of who comes to power the policy must and will be adhered to.

For starters don't ever expect any leader to place the TCs in front of the island's sovereignty.

Second, the interests of the 750,000 odd people living under the RoC will always be priority so don't expect him to jeopardize his people for the sake of a minority that actually parlays with the enemy.

For your info, TP is actually a very center-wing leader so be careful what you wish for.

So we can expect more of the same alienating policies and no progress, where has this administration gotten you in 4 years?

I believe Cyprus will only accept assimilation, regardless of other arrangements being "discussed", and if she cannot achieve that she will postpone the problem to a future date until it is possible.

Cyprus has embarked on a maniacal upgrade of her World standing because she realizes that's what matters if you are to get what you want. The most recent development is the EU Mediterranean Civil Aviation hub that Cyprus will be undertaking. This also proves the faith the EU has in Cyprus contrary to the opinions of shortsighted fools such as Nicos Rolandis and a few others.

In five years time half the TC population will be employed and perhaps even living in the South. Within the first decade most TCs will be so preoccupied with RoC capitalism that they'll be looking at a "TRNC" flag and be wondering where they'd seen that before.

Such is the power of money; what the RoC lacks in numbers and military might she can make up for in business astuteness and usefulness to the EU.

Can you explain exactly how she intends to achieve this and get TC on board so to speak? The "RoC" capitalist mentality is operative in the south right now yet I do not see and exodus of TCs moving to live in a GC state, they come and take your money but spend it in the north where they live freely and their money takes them further.

[fanourıo]

he said he does exactly what he was elected for....was this stalemate in the will of the GC people? maybe....

[Piratis]

If they take our money it means they will depend on us, isn't it? And they take our money in other ways also, e.g. by GCs visiting the occupied areas and spending their money there. And also they have the chance to come to the free areas and buy things that can not find in the occupied areas, use the Larnaca airport with way more and cheaper destinations that Tympou, use their Cypriot (= EU) passport etc. And maybe in a few years more and more will start living in the free areas also. Wouldn't they mind to loose all that? Maybe in the end they will realize that a united Cyprus is best for them as well instead of belonging to a puppet state of Turkey and being the 0.01% minority within Turks?

[Get Real!]

VP...

Can you explain exactly how she intends to achieve this and get TC on board so to speak? The "RoC" capitalist mentality is operative in the south right now yet I do not see and exodus of TCs moving to live in a GC state, they come and take your money but spend it in the north where they live freely and their money takes them further.

Initially it was very slow due to lack of trust but now there are around 5,000 TCs working here and the number is growing. While working here TCs are mingling with GCs and realizing there’s nothing to lose and plenty to gain by being here. In time people get tired of driving a longer distance and waiting in a “border” queue to get to work so that too is an incentive to move south.

The “TRNC” cannot compete with the higher wages, benefits, and various grants (such as a first home owners tax-rebate scheme), and a proposed “3 kids or more” scheme promising even more money; there’s various other benefits I don’t recall right now.

You should come and see the dole queues, social security queues, they’re even looking to register to vote for the next elections; imagine the power swing that 120,000+ new voters will one day be able to cause!

Many researches have been conducted to figure out who is spending what and where and they discovered that TCs are spending more money here than their GC counterparts! The reason being that here they can get brand-name parts, fashion accessories, etc, that they couldn’t before. The GC on the other hand are unfortunately WASTING their money on gambling which can only benefit the TC mafia.

The problem has been so severe for the “TRNC” that Talat recently considered imposing “import” taxes on goods purchased from the South. Go have a read in the ATCA forum and you’ll hear the stories of the right-winged TCs complaining about their wifes becoming shopaholics in the South!