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Pavlos Dinglis


Pavlos writes:

1. By 1962 Makarios had decided for the modification of the Constitution. Greece was dead against it and Kennedy also told him not to go ahead. Ismet Inonu warned Makarios not even to think about it. AKEL suggested to Makarios to unilaterally declare void the guarantor agreement, before changing the Constitution.

2. Makarios totally ignored everyone and his 13 points released a storm and even today we get what we asked for. At the Security Council, during early 1964, Spyros Kyprianou (Foreign Secretary) told members that no one was legalised to intervene in the internal affairs of a sovereign state.

3. On April 4 1964, Makarios denounced the alliance agreement. Turkey and Britain ignored him. A political issue could not be tackled with legalistic mumble.

4. The notorious Akritas Plan laid the political and material foundation for the path to change the Constitution. Papadopoulos was the main author of the Plan and the vice leader of the Organisation. Yiorgatzis was the leader. The target was Enosis but this was concealed under the veil of self determination. According to the plan, the modifications were to be enacted unilaterally since the Turkish side would never agree to them. The imposition of the changes would be achieved with the help of “the state forces” or even “friendly military forces”. These so called friendly military forces comprised of 1800 armed men belonging to the paramilitary groups of Sampson, Yiorgatzis and Lissarides.

5. The Plan itself gives a striking answer to those that kid themselves that it was just a proposition. Makarios had decided to impose the Plan unilaterally and dynamically. Something that shows that this was the case is the refusal of Makarios in 1965 to accept a proposal by the Turkish Cypriot MP’s to return to their seats, provided that the Zurich agreements would be reiterated. Klerides, who was the President of the House at the time, wrote in a statement that separate majorities were done with and the signature of the Vice President was no longer required and the Turkish Cypriot MP’s had no legal status. Thus, the position of the Vice President was, for all intense and purposes, abolished. In this way we lost a golden opportunity to return to normalcy, changing in the meantime the Constitution unilaterally, according to the Akritas Plan.

6. Lesson to be learnt:

• International agreements cannot be thrown into the dustbin, especially unilaterally. This applies especially for small countries like Cyprus. We have no sense of our size, it seems.
• The Cyprus issue is a political issue and not a legal one.
• Compromises are an inseparable part of policies
• The path of recrimination and collision is a terrible one to take. We need to take the path of reconciliation and debate.

How much wiser are we from our tragic past? The way Papadopoulos has handled the issue for the last 4 years has shown that the mentality of the 60’s is on the forefront. The path to disaster which started by Makarios is still followed. We are led towards the upgrading of the “state”, towards the two states, without inverted commas. Can we hold on to the last weed on the edge of the cliff?

The downing of the wall was a positive step. Hopefully it was not a result of outside pressure not a pre election gimmick. Talat made unacceptable arguments regarding the opening of Ledra and Limnitis. The Greek Cypriot side must regain the initiative. We need to undertake bold initiatives. No more preparations. It’s time for deeds. Papadopoulos should accept the invitation to meet Talat. No more legalistic and formalistic approaches. The road to reunification must open!




This is one of your guys speaking .......NOT A TURK.............Another traitor maybe....Or the voice of reason.

[Piratis]

I don't think he is a traitor. I don't think he is paid by the Turkish propaganda to write those things like someone else we know

I think he is just one of those Cypriots that adopt the stance that we should blame it all on our side and stop blaming the other side as this can help reconciliation. There are both TCs and GCs like this. Of course for TCs is much harder since if they go too far they can be murdered, close down their newspapers, arrest them etc. So inevitably such TCs are much less, and those that exist can not always say what they want.

Personally I think that tactic is wrong however. I think the best is to just say the whole truth, without fear that we will offend the "other side". This way more truthful more objective articles will be written and this is more important as it is obvious that such articles not only do not help in reconciliation as their authors indented them to be, but on the contrary they are used from the extremists of the other side in their propaganda.

[zan]

Perhaps I should have added ......Liar..... to the list and then you would not have had to break a finger nail writing such a long post of drivel.

[Viewpoint]

VP...

Can you explain exactly how she intends to achieve this and get TC on board so to speak? The "RoC" capitalist mentality is operative in the south right now yet I do not see and exodus of TCs moving to live in a GC state, they come and take your money but spend it in the north where they live freely and their money takes them further.

Initially it was very slow due to lack of trust but now there are around 5,000 TCs working here and the number is growing. While working here TCs are mingling with GCs and realizing there’s nothing to lose and plenty to gain by being here. In time people get tired of driving a longer distance and waiting in a “border” queue to get to work so that too is an incentive to move south.

The “TRNC” cannot compete with the higher wages, benefits, and various grants (such as a first home owners tax-rebate scheme), and a proposed “3 kids or more” scheme promising even more money; there’s various other benefits I don’t recall right now.

You should come and see the dole queues, social security queues, they’re even looking to register to vote for the next elections; imagine the power swing that 120,000+ new voters will one day be able to cause!

Many researches have been conducted to figure out who is spending what and where and they discovered that TCs are spending more money here than their GC counterparts! The reason being that here they can get brand-name parts, fashion accessories, etc, that they couldn’t before. The GC on the other hand are unfortunately WASTING their money on gambling which can only benefit the TC mafia.

The problem has been so severe for the “TRNC” that Talat recently considered imposing “import” taxes on goods purchased from the South. Go have a read in the ATCA forum and you’ll hear the stories of the right-winged TCs complaining about their wifes becoming shopaholics in the South!

In 4 years how many TCs have moved south? distance, waiting in queues, brand names are not reasons to move into a GC state, you shoudl really rethink how you are going to try and TCs to feel aprt of the "RoC".

Im sorry Get Real but the lack of trust is still very real, ask any TC how they feel when they cross back into the TRNC.

[Get Real!]

Im sorry Get Real but the lack of trust is still very real, ask any TC how they feel when they cross back into the TRNC.

How do you people feel when you cross back into the "TRNC"?

[zan]

Im sorry Get Real but the lack of trust is still very real, ask any TC how they feel when they cross back into the TRNC.

How do you people feel when you cross back into the "TRNC"?

Have any of them met TPap when they were there

[Get Real!]

Im sorry Get Real but the lack of trust is still very real, ask any TC how they feel when they cross back into the TRNC.

How do you people feel when you cross back into the "TRNC"?

Have any of them met TPap when they were there

Well then I guess we now have two scenarios!

[zan]

Im sorry Get Real but the lack of trust is still very real, ask any TC how they feel when they cross back into the TRNC.

How do you people feel when you cross back into the "TRNC"?

Have any of them met TPap when they were there

Well then I guess we now have two scenarios!

Of course we have GR...When you are in a field of donkeys, you are more aware of the one that kicked you. Of course you have to be careful that that one does not start a stampede too.

[Viewpoint]

Im sorry Get Real but the lack of trust is still very real, ask any TC how they feel when they cross back into the TRNC.

How do you people feel when you cross back into the "TRNC"?

Relieved to be home, as the south doesnt warrant home its like a foreign land.

[Piratis]

Im sorry Get Real but the lack of trust is still very real, ask any TC how they feel when they cross back into the TRNC.

How do you people feel when you cross back into the "TRNC"?

Relieved to be home, as the south doesnt warrant home its like a foreign land.

Well, Kerynia Famagusta, Morfou and the whole north Cyprus is the homeland of 200.000 GCs, the majority, who you cleansed out with the barbaric invasion. They also want to go home and they don't give a damn about your lame excuses.