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[Pyrpolizer]

Besides all that paaul12, they simply havent worked to the degree that the RoC would have liked. So perhaps the hand of frienship that we have offered time and time again can now be taken.

Which hand Zan , partition of Cyprus , annexation of North Cyprus to Turkey , is this the hand that was offered with 40 thousand troops belonging to a foreign power remaining in Cyprus , precisely what was the hand that was offered. Judging by your posts and those of VPs no hand of friendship is evident from either you or the official VPs , on the contrary you have posted absolutely nothing resembling reconciliation or forgiveness and as for your dream of a new modern world , well what can I say ! You and VP have got one dream and one dream only. Let us be recognised as Turkish Cyprus , and fuck the the rest we are bigger and more powerful so up yours if not happy with this. Well the natives of this land , the Cypriots , will strive for a united Cyprus with all Cypriots part of this modern world of Cyprus which just happens to be ahead of your modern world by at least a century. The T/Cs are part of the Cypriot way of life not the Anatolian that so many T/Cs find foreign and in many respects centuries behind.

Perhaps Miltiades, someone who would claim the TCs are entitled to nothing in Cyprus other than minority status, and even that is too much, would make Zan and VP realise how extremist their own dreams are.

[Viewpoint]

Lets say you are right and that the North becomes Turkey and TCs hate living there so they move south, how will the GC feel then?, they will kick themselves for not haivng acted sonner to bring TCs in from isolation.

MAYBE the Roc will let the TC's in, and MAYBE they will not. They also have the option to tell the TC's, hey, you wanted Turkey over your own citizens, to live and prosper in a EU nation, so now, stay there and become part of a developing 3rd world.

The pendulum swings both ways VP.

Can you refuse your own citizens entry?, the people you tell the world you represent I think they would have a very very hard time explaining this to their masters the EU.

With this answer you are avoiding the real question which was "how will the GC feel then?, they will kick themselves for not having acted sonner to bring TCs in from isolation". allowing TCs the economic strength to tell Turkey to go away.

[askimwos]

Sometimes in order to appreciate what you have, you have to lose it first. The GCs found out the hard way about this and have in their majority understood that all those nationalistic elements that acted in the past should have been dealt with early and not let free to lead us to distruction.

It seems to me that the TC community is now going through a similar phase and apathy is a word that describes what the rest of the community is doing in front of nationalistic voices for partition. History repeats itself and it seems like the Vps and zans will find out the hard way that the policies they are promoting will only lead to their distruction.

It is absurd that Vp and zan are calling for help from the RoC to do what? To allow the recognition of the "trnc" through direct trade so that the process of annexation to Turkey is speeded up?

[Viewpoint]

Sometimes in order to appreciate what you have, you have to lose it first. The GCs found out the hard way about this and have in their majority understood that all those nationalistic elements that acted in the past should have been dealt with early and not let free to lead us to distruction.

It seems to me that the TC community is now going through a similar phase and apathy is a word that describes what the rest of the community is doing in front of nationalistic voices for partition. History repeats itself and it seems like the Vps and zans will find out the hard way that the policies they are promoting will only lead to their distruction.

It is absurd that Vp and zan are calling for help from the RoC to do what? To allow the recognition of the "trnc" through direct trade so that the process of annexation to Turkey is speeded up?

How can direct trade and flights be recognition? could you kindly explain this to me. If this is such an obstacle for GCs then why aren't they working harder at finding an alternative to the Annan plan why aren't they on the streets demanding this they obviously happy with the current status quo.

[Kikapu]

Lets say you are right and that the North becomes Turkey and TCs hate living there so they move south, how will the GC feel then?, they will kick themselves for not haivng acted sonner to bring TCs in from isolation.

MAYBE the Roc will let the TC's in, and MAYBE they will not. They also have the option to tell the TC's, hey, you wanted Turkey over your own citizens, to live and prosper in a EU nation, so now, stay there and become part of a developing 3rd world.

The pendulum swings both ways VP.

Can you refuse your own citizens entry?, the people you tell the world you represent I think they would have a very very hard time explaining this to their masters the EU.

With this answer you are avoiding the real question which was "how will the GC feel then?, they will kick themselves for not having acted sonner to bring TCs in from isolation". allowing TCs the economic strength to tell Turkey to go away.

Before I answer your real question to me, the RoC can consider TC's as a run away renegades and traitors to their country of Cyprus, by "sleeping with the ENEMY" who has by force, took part of Cyprus. If The TC's return back to the RoC, there may be a firing squad waiting for them, after a military trial, for those betraying their country for treason. Most, if not all TC's, will then be forced to become a minority in a 3rd world developing country, living in a crowded "mad house", in the Northern Cyprus, with no hopes of an entry to the EU, and cancelling all EU passports already issued to all the TC's, who have them right now.

But don't worry VP, because you and your family can always go to the UK.

On the other hand, the RoC may welcome us back, with rose petals thrown at our feet, and offering us to marry their daughters and sons.

What do you think.

Now to answer your question.

Yes , the GC's will be damn bitter, that they did not do enough, but will blame the TC's by claiming, that they could not do anything, while the Northern part of Cyprus was occupied, at the wish of the TC's, because we were too determined to go to bed with Turkey. They will deal with their sorrows and accept the outcome, but not before the level of hate and vengeance will go through the roof on any barometer readings, with skirmishes here and there, by the ultra Nationalist. The RoC will put every bump in the road for Turkey, wanting to enter the EU, and the RoC, will also win all propaganda wars against Turkey and the TC's.

I expect the killings will continue.

So VP, are you prepared to convince our side to settle for 2 states 1 country solution now, or do you want to read the ugly outcome in the papers, as to what may happen in the future.

This is just one man's opinion.

[zan]

Lets say you are right and that the North becomes Turkey and TCs hate living there so they move south, how will the GC feel then?, they will kick themselves for not haivng acted sonner to bring TCs in from isolation.

MAYBE the Roc will let the TC's in, and MAYBE they will not. They also have the option to tell the TC's, hey, you wanted Turkey over your own citizens, to live and prosper in a EU nation, so now, stay there and become part of a developing 3rd world.

The pendulum swings both ways VP.

Can you refuse your own citizens entry?, the people you tell the world you represent I think they would have a very very hard time explaining this to their masters the EU.

With this answer you are avoiding the real question which was "how will the GC feel then?, they will kick themselves for not having acted sonner to bring TCs in from isolation". allowing TCs the economic strength to tell Turkey to go away.

Before I answer your real question to me, the RoC can consider TC's as a run away renegades and traitors to their country of Cyprus, by "sleeping with the ENEMY" who has by force, took part of Cyprus. If The TC's return back to the RoC, there may be a firing squad waiting for them, after a military trial, for those betraying their country for treason. Most, if not all TC's, will then be forced to become a minority in a 3rd world developing country, living in a crowded "mad house", in the Northern Cyprus, with no hopes of an entry to the EU, and cancelling all EU passports already issued to all the TC's, who have them right now.

But don't worry VP, because you and your family can always go to the UK.

On the other hand, the RoC may welcome us back, with rose petals thrown at our feet, and offering us to marry their daughters and sons.

What do you think.

Now to answer your question.

Yes , the GC's will be damn bitter, that they did not do enough, but will blame the TC's by claiming, that they could not do anything, while the Northern part of Cyprus was occupied, at the wish of the TC's, because we were too determined to go to bed with Turkey. They will deal with their sorrows and accept the outcome, but not before the level of hate and vengeance will go through the roof on any barometer readings, with skirmishes here and there, by the ultra Nationalist. The RoC will put every bump in the road for Turkey, wanting to enter the EU, and the RoC, will also win all propaganda wars against Turkey and the TC's.

I expect the killings will continue.

So VP, are you prepared to convince our side to settle for 2 states 1 country solution now, or do you want to read the ugly outcome in the papers, as to what may happen in the future.

This is just one man's opinion.

What...Kind of like the real TCs feel against them at the moment. You absolve all their sins with every sentence you write and make us the guilty ones time and time again. Why is that Kikapu. Dropping everything and running into our killers arms is not for me and not for at least 70% of my people. They are happy to be Turks if that is the only option open to us. If we are given another fair option then we will take that. Simple.

[Pyrpolizer]

It is absurd that Vp and zan are calling for help from the RoC to do what? To allow the recognition of the "trnc" through direct trade so that the process of annexation to Turkey is speeded up?

Spot on askimwos.

There are some ways in which we can help the TCs but their leadership doesn’t accept. I don't know about VP but Zan has a clear agenda, re:above post.

[askimwos]

zan why are you so sure that the GC want to take things from the TCs? Have you ever asked any GC what kind of solution they want?

There are more than 20-30 GCs on this forum and only a couple have said anything like TCs only getting minority status.

The fact is that the GCs voted No to the annan plan. There must be a few thins that have found unacceptable in order to reach this decision. The RoC seems ready to speak about what they really want under the 8th July agreement process. It seems that at the time the TC side guided by Turkey refuses to listen but want to sleep on the benefits that the yes vote to the annan plan has offered them.

All forum members including you and vp have admitted that the recognition of the "trnc" means only one thing. The turkification of the north and the annexation of the north part of cyprus to turkey and therefore the extinction of the TC identity and culture. So what remains is really to get back to the negotiation table and try to unify the island.

[Kikapu]

Lets say you are right and that the North becomes Turkey and TCs hate living there so they move south, how will the GC feel then?, they will kick themselves for not haivng acted sonner to bring TCs in from isolation.

MAYBE the Roc will let the TC's in, and MAYBE they will not. They also have the option to tell the TC's, hey, you wanted Turkey over your own citizens, to live and prosper in a EU nation, so now, stay there and become part of a developing 3rd world.

The pendulum swings both ways VP.

Can you refuse your own citizens entry?, the people you tell the world you represent I think they would have a very very hard time explaining this to their masters the EU.

With this answer you are avoiding the real question which was "how will the GC feel then?, they will kick themselves for not having acted sonner to bring TCs in from isolation". allowing TCs the economic strength to tell Turkey to go away.

Before I answer your real question to me, the RoC can consider TC's as a run away renegades and traitors to their country of Cyprus, by "sleeping with the ENEMY" who has by force, took part of Cyprus. If The TC's return back to the RoC, there may be a firing squad waiting for them, after a military trial, for those betraying their country for treason. Most, if not all TC's, will then be forced to become a minority in a 3rd world developing country, living in a crowded "mad house", in the Northern Cyprus, with no hopes of an entry to the EU, and cancelling all EU passports already issued to all the TC's, who have them right now.

But don't worry VP, because you and your family can always go to the UK.

On the other hand, the RoC may welcome us back, with rose petals thrown at our feet, and offering us to marry their daughters and sons.

What do you think.

Now to answer your question.

Yes , the GC's will be damn bitter, that they did not do enough, but will blame the TC's by claiming, that they could not do anything, while the Northern part of Cyprus was occupied, at the wish of the TC's, because we were too determined to go to bed with Turkey. They will deal with their sorrows and accept the outcome, but not before the level of hate and vengeance will go through the roof on any barometer readings, with skirmishes here and there, by the ultra Nationalist. The RoC will put every bump in the road for Turkey, wanting to enter the EU, and the RoC, will also win all propaganda wars against Turkey and the TC's.

I expect the killings will continue.

So VP, are you prepared to convince our side to settle for 2 states 1 country solution now, or do you want to read the ugly outcome in the papers, as to what may happen in the future.

This is just one man's opinion.

What...Kind of like the real TCs feel against them at the moment. You absolve all their sins with every sentence you write and make us the guilty ones time and time again. Why is that Kikapu. Dropping everything and running into our killers arms is not for me and not for at least 70% of my people. They are happy to be Turks if that is the only option open to us. If we are given another fair option then we will take that. Simple.

Sorry Zan, that I do not paint a pretty picture, but as I said, it is only one man's opinion.

How did I absolve anything that the GC's done or not doing. Same time, how did I put all the blame on us. I'm just answering VP's question, that's all.

Let's not fool ourselves Zan. You are not going to be in Cyprus with your " People", when the shit happens, and nor will you be living in any 3rd world developing country. As VP says, it's easy to dictate from THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY:

May I ask, when was the last time you were in Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

Lets say you are right and that the North becomes Turkey and TCs hate living there so they move south, how will the GC feel then?, they will kick themselves for not haivng acted sonner to bring TCs in from isolation.

MAYBE the Roc will let the TC's in, and MAYBE they will not. They also have the option to tell the TC's, hey, you wanted Turkey over your own citizens, to live and prosper in a EU nation, so now, stay there and become part of a developing 3rd world.

The pendulum swings both ways VP.

Can you refuse your own citizens entry?, the people you tell the world you represent I think they would have a very very hard time explaining this to their masters the EU.

With this answer you are avoiding the real question which was "how will the GC feel then?, they will kick themselves for not having acted sonner to bring TCs in from isolation". allowing TCs the economic strength to tell Turkey to go away.

Before I answer your real question to me, the RoC can consider TC's as a run away renegades and traitors to their country of Cyprus, by "sleeping with the ENEMY" who has by force, took part of Cyprus. If The TC's return back to the RoC, there may be a firing squad waiting for them, after a military trial, for those betraying their country for treason. Most, if not all TC's, will then be forced to become a minority in a 3rd world developing country, living in a crowded "mad house", in the Northern Cyprus, with no hopes of an entry to the EU, and cancelling all EU passports already issued to all the TC's, who have them right now.

But don't worry VP, because you and your family can always go to the UK.

On the other hand, the RoC may welcome us back, with rose petals thrown at our feet, and offering us to marry their daughters and sons.

What do you think.

Now to answer your question.

Yes , the GC's will be damn bitter, that they did not do enough, but will blame the TC's by claiming, that they could not do anything, while the Northern part of Cyprus was occupied, at the wish of the TC's, because we were too determined to go to bed with Turkey. They will deal with their sorrows and accept the outcome, but not before the level of hate and vengeance will go through the roof on any barometer readings, with skirmishes here and there, by the ultra Nationalist. The RoC will put every bump in the road for Turkey, wanting to enter the EU, and the RoC, will also win all propaganda wars against Turkey and the TC's.

I expect the killings will continue.

So VP, are you prepared to convince our side to settle for 2 states 1 country solution now, or do you want to read the ugly outcome in the papers, as to what may happen in the future.

This is just one man's opinion.

Is this a threat? are you being serious?