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Nicole22
we dont need anything from turkey greece britain or america all we ask is that we be left alone in peace to live in harmony in cyprus ................................but we must abondan all this crap about being turkish and greek feck thats the first thing that would go if i was in charge anyone who says to em they are turkish or greek i will deport them from cyprus to greece or turkey wehrever they think they are from simple solution

[zan]

Remember what this thread was about.


Cyprus
Conflict Within the Greek Cypriot Community, 1967-74
During the next seven years, events in Cyprus were shaped by the differences over enosis that arose between Makarios and the military government that was installed in Greece after a coup d'état in 1967. Convinced of Turkey's willingness to use its superior force to prevent enosis, Makarios began to seek support among Greek Cypriots--especially those in the communist party--who rejected enosis, at least for the near future, in favor of an independent, nonaligned Cyprus (see Political Dynamics , ch. 4). Because Makarios had decided enosis was no longer possible in the short term, more adamant pro-enosis Cypriot groups and anticommunist Greek officers, both of which infiltrated the National Guard during the late 1960s and early 1970s, would subvert his government increasingly after 1967 and finally overthrow him in 1974.

Makarios failed in his efforts to limit the autonomy of the National Guard, which, under the influence of right-wing Greek officers, remained attached to enosis and bitterly opposed to Makarios's political association with the communist party. Compulsory military service for all Greek Cypriot males--for a period that increased from six months to two years during the 1960s--allowed the arming and training of a great number of men, many of whom subsequently took up arms against the government. Between 1969 and 1971, several groups embarked on a renewed terrorist campaign for enosis. Grivas returned clandestinely to Cyprus sometime in the late summer or early fall of 1971 and set up a new guerilla organization, the national Organizaiton of Cypriot Fighters (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agonistm B--EOKA B). Most members of the terrorist movement held regular jobs in the Greek Cypriot community; half were police officials and members of the National Guard.

There was also considerable evidence of support of EOKA B activities by the Greek junta, whose hostility to Makarios became increasingly apparent during the early 1970s. The junta was believed to be involved in several attempts on the life of President Makarios. In March 1970, Makarios narrowly escaped death when his helicopter was shot down. Makarios walked away from the crash, but his pilot was killed. Former minister of the interior Polykarpos Georkajis, in contact with local right-wing groups and the junta in Athens, was thought to be implicated, and was assassinated shortly afterward. A paramilitary presidential guard loyal to Makarios, called the Tactical Police Reserve, was organized in 1972. Consisting of fewer than 1,000 men, the Tactical Police Reserve succeeded in arresting large numbers of EOKA B guerrillas. In a further attempt to bring subversive forces under control, Makarios dismissed many National Guard and police officers suspected of EOKA B activity.

With the death of Grivas from a heart attack in January 1974, EOKA B came more directly under the control of the military junta in Athens, which, after a change of leadership, was even more hostile to Makarios. The archbishop, however, saw the Greekofficered National Guard as a more serious threat to his government than EOKA B. In a letter to the Greek president in early July, he accused the junta of attempting to subvert the government of Cyprus through the Greek officers of the National Guard, who in turn supported the terrorist activities of EOKA B. Makarion demanded immediate removal of the 650 Greek officers staffing the National Guard and their replacement by 100 instructors who would help reorganize the Greek Cypriot force.

The reply to the Makarios challenge came on July 15 in the form of a coup d'état led by Greek officers in the National Guard, under orders from Athens. The fierce fighting that broke out resulted in casualties estimated at over 500, but the lightly armed Tactical Police Reserve and irregular pro-Makarios units were no match for the heavily armed National Guardsmen and the EOKA B irregulars. Narrowly escaping capture when the presidential palace was bombarded, Makarios was flown to London from the Sovereyn Base Area at Akrotiri. Former EOKA gunman and convicted murderer Nicos Sampson, notorious for his brutality in the 1950s and 1960s, was proclaimed president. As Makarios had foreseen, but the Greek military leaders did not, Turkey reacted forcibly to the coup by landing a large number of troops on the northern coast of Cyprus. As a result, both the insurrectionary government in Cyprus and the military dictatorship in Greece fell from power.

[miltiades]

I think you are full of it, that's what i think...

Because I'm pretty sure no body invited the Greeks onto this island either, but no one is sad enough to take the debate that far back, all nations fought one and another and that's how it has always been, history is full of it, sometimes you win and sometimes you loose, no point still bitching about it today and acting like the Turks are the real evil on this planet.

So you tell me who is the real "propaganda crap" merchant now, you blame Turkey for being Nazis but deep down you are no better, and to be honest i don't mind you keep repeating the same crap over and over again because i believe you are a minority even in your own country and your views will never really see the face of light EVER, not even with that Papadapieceofshit asshole you call President, it will only hold us back from any real solution, as it has been doing so far!


Trust me, no body with a real conscious likes a racist, even if they are on the same side...

look who is talking about racism !!!

[shahmaran]

Piratis we have had this argument before, i do not support anything, i simply live there as you do however i still do not hold views anything like yours towards the GCs. You don't want peace, you just want submission which you try to defend with very unsubstantial claims, and you live to see the day when the so called "shift of power" will take place so you can get your sweet revenge...THATS why you are racist!

Of course I want peace. A peace that will come by restoring legality in Cyprus. Is restoring legality and the human rights of all Cypriots a "submission" of TCs? Did I ask from you to compromise any of your human or legal rights? All I demand, and yes I have the right to fight for, are for my human and legal rights. Does this make me a racist?

I don't understand why you have issues with that quote from Ataturk

Because we talk about racism. Since we all accept that is racist to say that one race is higher than another, you don't find anything racist in saying that even a single Turkish individual worths as much as the whole world? I think it is super racist. And it wouldn't be a problem if this quote was coming from some ancient forgotten Turkish warlord. It is coming from Ataturk the person whose ideas the Turks still follow and they don't even accept criticism about it. The whole Turkish state is based on such racist Nazi ideas. Thats the problem. Thats why I say they have not moved on much from the time of the Ottoman era in terms of mentality.

And this quote is not one lost quote that i discovered for propaganda either. It is very often used among Turkish nationalists. Even in the celebrations in Turkey after the game with Greece there were some Turks saying this slogan in front of the TV cameras.

oh yeah, my favourite is "best Turk is a dead Turk" i believe its a Greek one, pretty popular too if you think 1 quote means all the Turks are based on Nazi ideas then i have nothing more to say to you to be honest, its not only preposterous its utter crap, what are you 15? is this how you are planning to argue the Turkish nation to the ground? my god Piratis you need help!

so what if the Turks love being a Turk, are you not proud of being a Greek? does that make you any more racist than you already are? its not about the quotes my friend, its about your state of mind, and to be honest Greeks in general are too proud and very fucking racist, specially when it comes to Turks, you did watch the football game didnt you? i hope you did and i hope you will watch it again when they replay it in Turkey...

[Viewpoint]

I am still none the wiser...........I just wanna go home and as I have nothing, but a handful of worthless title deeds in the political agenda, I feel my negotiating powers are very limited ........that I have suffered a great injustice at the hands of America, Britain and Turkey bears NO RELEVANCE TO THE PRESENT.......... I just wish I could go home and build on my father's land. Why do we, GCs not accept we've been screwed and try to get the best deal we can for ourselves, because very soon, it will be too late and my children's children will neither care nor know about Cyprus.

Because the "best deal" they offered was to screw us again. Maybe a few GCs would have some material benefit from it by recovering part of what was stolen from them but thats were the somewhat positive things end. Unfortunately there is no fair solution with any prospect on offer today.

No solution will be good enough for Piratis, he will continue to find fault in anything put before him where there is even 000000000.1% in favor of the TCs. Your only option Piratis is as you have stated many time to wait for that swing to try your luck at getting what you want but never forget thet swing could take things the other way and then where will you be? screwed yet again due to your own stupidity.

[Viewpoint]

Why do we, GCs not accept we've been screwed and try to get the best deal we can for ourselves, because very soon, it will be too late and my children's children will neither care nor know about Cyprus.

I fail to understand this great urgency you go on about. UN resolutions are internationally binding until revoked, modified, or complied with. When it comes to the crunch the only thing that matters is LAW. Not even an approved Anan plan could be enforced until existing resolutions are dealt with.

Admittedly some of us may not live to enjoy certain things in Cyprus but that doesn't give us the right to selfishly pursue the "best deal", essentially a compromise with the invader, just so that you and a few other fools get to build on grandpa's land for investment!!! Is it Cyprus you’re worried about or your miserable wallet?

What's important is that we pass along a CONTIGUES AND SOVEREIGN CYPRUS to the next generations even if it takes 100 years to get there.

Well done Get Real you wait for the law and UN resolutions to kick in and then you will get what you want. Keep waiting no rush.

[zan]

Shahmaran

Is there an Internet site you can put those two sayings in to give us an official account of which one is a positive statement and which one is negative. Oh! Fuck it....Lets ask the audience. Perhaps Piratis can phone a fiend (no spelling mistake).

[Viewpoint]

Piratis we have had this argument before, i do not support anything, i simply live there as you do however i still do not hold views anything like yours towards the GCs. You don't want peace, you just want submission which you try to defend with very unsubstantial claims, and you live to see the day when the so called "shift of power" will take place so you can get your sweet revenge...THATS why you are racist!

Of course I want peace. A peace that will come by restoring legality in Cyprus. Is restoring legality and the human rights of all Cypriots a "submission" of TCs? Did I ask from you to compromise any of your human or legal rights? All I demand, and yes I have the right to fight for, are for my human and legal rights. Does this make me a racist?

I don't understand why you have issues with that quote from Ataturk

Because we talk about racism. Since we all accept that is racist to say that one race is higher than another, you don't find anything racist in saying that even a single Turkish individual worths as much as the whole world? I think it is super racist. And it wouldn't be a problem if this quote was coming from some ancient forgotten Turkish warlord. It is coming from Ataturk the person whose ideas the Turks still follow and they don't even accept criticism about it. The whole Turkish state is based on such racist Nazi ideas. Thats the problem. Thats why I say they have not moved on much from the time of the Ottoman era in terms of mentality.

And this quote is not one lost quote that i discovered for propaganda either. It is very often used among Turkish nationalists. Even in the celebrations in Turkey after the game with Greece there were some Turks saying this slogan in front of the TV cameras.

Your pure hate for anything Turkish deters you from thinking methodically, this is just a saying which was used in war time to bolster the armies moral as they went into battle...its not to be taken literally so get over it you are making yourself look very silly even bringing this up.

[free_cyprus]

HAS ANYONE IN THIS FORUM HEARD OF THE WORD PROXY WAR

[zan]

Still think its a better war cry than.....Kill the Turkish bastards....VP


Maybe its just the poet in me.