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Turks had no right to bring stability to Cyprus

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Nicole22 » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:54 pm

I am still none the wiser...........I just wanna go home and as I have nothing, but a handful of worthless title deeds in the political agenda, I feel my negotiating powers are very limited ........that I have suffered a great injustice at the hands of America, Britain and Turkey bears NO RELEVANCE TO THE PRESENT.......... I just wish I could go home and build on my father's land. Why do we, GCs not accept we've been screwed and try to get the best deal we can for ourselves, because very soon, it will be too late and my children's children will neither care nor know about Cyprus.
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Postby shahmaran » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:06 pm

I think you are full of it, that's what i think...

Because I'm pretty sure no body invited the Greeks onto this island either, but no one is sad enough to take the debate that far back, all nations fought one and another and that's how it has always been, history is full of it, sometimes you win and sometimes you loose, no point still bitching about it today and acting like the Turks are the real evil on this planet.

So you tell me who is the real "propaganda crap" merchant now, you blame Turkey for being Nazis but deep down you are no better, and to be honest i don't mind you keep repeating the same crap over and over again because i believe you are a minority even in your own country and your views will never really see the face of light EVER, not even with that Papadapieceofshit asshole you call President, it will only hold us back from any real solution, as it has been doing so far!


Trust me, no body with a real conscious likes a racist, even if they are on the same side...
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:07 pm

Nicole22 wrote:I am still none the wiser...........I just wanna go home and as I have nothing, but a handful of worthless title deeds in the political agenda, I feel my negotiating powers are very limited ........that I have suffered a great injustice at the hands of America, Britain and Turkey bears NO RELEVANCE TO THE PRESENT.......... I just wish I could go home and build on my father's land. Why do we, GCs not accept we've been screwed and try to get the best deal we can for ourselves, because very soon, it will be too late and my children's children will neither care nor know about Cyprus.


Because the "best deal" they offered was to screw us again. Maybe a few GCs would have some material benefit from it by recovering part of what was stolen from them but thats were the somewhat positive things end. Unfortunately there is no fair solution with any prospect on offer today.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:19 pm

shahmaran wrote:I think you are full of it, that's what i think...

Because I'm pretty sure no body invited the Greeks onto this island either, but no one is sad enough to take the debate that far back, all nations fought one and another and that's how it has always been, history is full of it, sometimes you win and sometimes you loose, no point still bitching about it today and acting like the Turks are the real evil on this planet.

So you tell me who is the real "propaganda crap" merchant now, you blame Turkey for being Nazis but deep down you are no better, and to be honest i don't mind you keep repeating the same crap over and over again because i believe you are a minority even in your own country and your views will never really see the face of light EVER, not even with that Papadapieceofshit asshole you call President, it will only hold us back from any real solution, as it has been doing so far!


Trust me, no body with a real conscious likes a racist, even if they are on the same side...


About how Greeks came to Cyprus see my first post. It has nothing to do with how the Turks came, sorry but it is the truth.

And your empty accusations do not touch me. What from what I said is racist? I already explained you why you are racist: Because you support the ethnic cleaning of 200.000 because of their race and you demand the separation and classification of Cypriots based on their ethnic background, with one group gaining from the rights of another.

Now you tell me why you call me racist? Because I tell you the facts about the "achievements" of the Turkish nation? If your ancestors where listening to somebody like me long ago, then you wouldn't have to hear it today. But instead of accepting your wrong doings and finally changing and accepting that now is 21st century and not the era of the Ottomans, you seem to be stuck with the middle age mentality and the crap of Ataturk like "one Turk equals the whole world". Look at home to see the biggest racists my friend. Unlike other countries where racists are a minority, in your case the racists are those that rule you.
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Postby shahmaran » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:53 pm

Piratis we have had this argument before, i do not support anything, i simply live there as you do however i still do not hold views anything like yours towards the GCs. You don't want peace, you just want submission which you try to defend with very unsubstantial claims, and you live to see the day when the so called "shift of power" will take place so you can get your sweet revenge...THATS why you are racist!

I don't understand why you have issues with that quote from Ataturk especially -since you keep repeating it- all leaders make powerful statements during their speeches in order to pump up the patriotism within the people and unite them, if it wasn't for him we would ALL be Greek by now, so i can understand why you hold so much grudge against him, but to be honest its just tough shit!

The guy literally raised the Turkish nation from the dead, that's not all he has said and achieved, MANY people are very proud of him and some are not even Turks, which Greek leader can we all say that about?
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:21 pm

Nicole22 wrote:Why do we, GCs not accept we've been screwed and try to get the best deal we can for ourselves, because very soon, it will be too late and my children's children will neither care nor know about Cyprus.


I fail to understand this great urgency you go on about. UN resolutions are internationally binding until revoked, modified, or complied with. When it comes to the crunch the only thing that matters is LAW. Not even an approved Anan plan could be enforced until existing resolutions are dealt with.

Admittedly some of us may not live to enjoy certain things in Cyprus but that doesn't give us the right to selfishly pursue the "best deal", essentially a compromise with the invader, just so that you and a few other fools get to build on grandpa's land for investment!!! Is it Cyprus you’re worried about or your miserable wallet?

What's important is that we pass along a CONTIGUES AND SOVEREIGN CYPRUS to the next generations even if it takes 100 years to get there.
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Postby free_cyprus » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:58 pm

if we are to have free cyprus for future generation then we have to abondan the idea we are greeks and turks in cyprus. we have to get rid of turkish greek flags we have to get rid of their history books we are cypriots our history can be writen on one page and it will say the same thing if it was writen in a thousand pages................... invade violated tortured murdered raped this has been going on for thousands of years with cyprus ........................ soo whats new do we want completly free cyprus or do we want to devide the island be turks and greeks ........................what i cannot understand is why do 99%of cypriots defend turkey and greece as if they are greeks and turks wheres your brains
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:12 pm

Piratis we have had this argument before, i do not support anything, i simply live there as you do however i still do not hold views anything like yours towards the GCs. You don't want peace, you just want submission which you try to defend with very unsubstantial claims, and you live to see the day when the so called "shift of power" will take place so you can get your sweet revenge...THATS why you are racist!


Of course I want peace. A peace that will come by restoring legality in Cyprus. Is restoring legality and the human rights of all Cypriots a "submission" of TCs? Did I ask from you to compromise any of your human or legal rights? All I demand, and yes I have the right to fight for, are for my human and legal rights. Does this make me a racist?

I don't understand why you have issues with that quote from Ataturk


Because we talk about racism. Since we all accept that is racist to say that one race is higher than another, you don't find anything racist in saying that even a single Turkish individual worths as much as the whole world? I think it is super racist. And it wouldn't be a problem if this quote was coming from some ancient forgotten Turkish warlord. It is coming from Ataturk the person whose ideas the Turks still follow and they don't even accept criticism about it. The whole Turkish state is based on such racist Nazi ideas. Thats the problem. Thats why I say they have not moved on much from the time of the Ottoman era in terms of mentality.

And this quote is not one lost quote that i discovered for propaganda either. It is very often used among Turkish nationalists. Even in the celebrations in Turkey after the game with Greece there were some Turks saying this slogan in front of the TV cameras.
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Postby free_cyprus » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:19 pm

why do people in this forum confuse what it as proverb and a quote firstly i dont know any ataturk quotes and i have no desire to learn any either im sure he was a good men and he done what he though was right to free his beloved country ...................... now heres a question for us cypriots are we readdy to libirate our island .............. this si where cypriots go wrong all the time its always quotes from ataturk or alexander the great and so forth these people have their own countries we have ours lets focus on what we have who we are and how we can libirate cyprus without violance
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Postby Nicole22 » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:43 pm

free_cyprus........ you're right.....it is confusing, but language formulates thought and therefore, we cannot help thinking of ourselves as Greek, Turks, Brits, etc. If only we could embrace our difference and forge forward as a true Cypriot nation, taking the best of all our invaders - Logic from the Brits, compassion from the Greeks and political wisdom from the Turks!

And as I know, I shall be condemned for my last remark, I leave you with these thoughts from Nasreddin Hodja..............When they saw Hodja sitting by the lake and stirring some yogurt into the water, they asked him what he was doing. “I am adding starter into the lake to make yogurt,” he answered. “But is it possible to turn the lake into yogurt?” “I know it’s impossible but what if I succeed,” Hodja replied.
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