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[shahmaran]

You are like a broken record trying to cover up recent history with rubbish from hundreds of years ago.

Recent history? Recent history is yesterday: Turks illegally occupying Cyprus
Ok, recent history is also 5 years ago: Turks illegally occupying Cyprus
Ok, maybe we can say that even 10 or 15 years are recent histroy: Turks illegally occupying Cyprus.

I don't need to "cover up" anything. You are the ones who are trying to cover up the crimes you commit TODAY using history as an excuse. But when you are reminded that even during history you were the aggressors the 99% of the time and the ones who started it all you don't like it, do you?

It is very funny when for some Turks "history" is just their own distorted version of a decade that they want to use as a lame excuse for more and more crimes against us, in the same way they have always did since the day they set their foot on our island.

No! what is REALLY funny, is when you talk about lame excuses, when thats all you really have got to offer

[Piratis]

Look who is taking about racism. The ones that ethnically cleansed 200.000 people simply because of their race.

My ideas my friend are those of democracy and human rights, ideas that you fight against and you instead insist on illegality and crimes.

[miltiades]

You are like a broken record trying to cover up recent history with rubbish from hundreds of years ago.

Recent history? Recent history is yesterday: Turks illegally occupying Cyprus
Ok, recent history is also 5 years ago: Turks illegally occupying Cyprus
Ok, maybe we can say that even 10 or 15 years are recent histroy: Turks illegally occupying Cyprus.

I don't need to "cover up" anything. You are the ones who are trying to cover up the crimes you commit TODAY using history as an excuse. But when you are reminded that even during history you were the aggressors the 99% of the time and the ones who started it all you don't like it, do you?

It is very funny when for some Turks "history" is just their own distorted version of a decade that they want to use as a lame excuse for more and more crimes against us, in the same way they have always did since the day they set their foot on our island.

No! what is REALLY funny, is when you talk about lame excuses, when thats all you really have got to offer in oder to defend your racist fucking ideas...

Once a punk always a punk.

[free_cyprus]

turks had no right greeks had no right the british had no right and turkish and greek speaking cypriots who comited crimes againt their own people had no fecking right. cyprus should have been left alone to live in peace but the feckers who are slaves of history think they are greeks and turks soo they love to bend over and say then you masters feck us some more..................... where the feck is your cypriot dignity what is wrong with you people is there not one person in thsi forum who just thinks they are a cypriot without mentioning the turkish and greek word..................................do you really believe just cos you a speak alanguage that you really are part of the former conqurrers do you really belive you come from greece and turkey is that where you think your roots lie when we been fecked over by every empire since time began

[shahmaran]

You are like a broken record trying to cover up recent history with rubbish from hundreds of years ago.

Recent history? Recent history is yesterday: Turks illegally occupying Cyprus
Ok, recent history is also 5 years ago: Turks illegally occupying Cyprus
Ok, maybe we can say that even 10 or 15 years are recent histroy: Turks illegally occupying Cyprus.

I don't need to "cover up" anything. You are the ones who are trying to cover up the crimes you commit TODAY using history as an excuse. But when you are reminded that even during history you were the aggressors the 99% of the time and the ones who started it all you don't like it, do you?

It is very funny when for some Turks "history" is just their own distorted version of a decade that they want to use as a lame excuse for more and more crimes against us, in the same way they have always did since the day they set their foot on our island.

No! what is REALLY funny, is when you talk about lame excuses, when thats all you really have got to offer in oder to defend your racist fucking ideas...

Once a punk always a punk.

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[Nicole22]

I have been reading your threads and can't understand why we always need to blame each other for our ancestor's failings on BOTH SIDES! Why can't we just say, yes.........that was then and this is NOW, and we want a solution, we want to go home and bring up our children on Cyprus hilly lands. Why can't we just forget what happened? and look forward........wake up and smell the coffee. All this blame-game leds nowhere, and as the years pass, we play straight into the politicians and fat cat's hands. Doesn't anyone else see the logic of what I am trying to say?

[Piratis]

I have been reading your threads and can't understand why we always need to blame each other for our ancestor's failings on BOTH SIDES! Why can't we just say, yes.........that was then and this is NOW, and we want a solution, we want to go home and bring up our children on Cyprus hilly lands. Why can't we just forget what happened? and look forward........wake up and smell the coffee. All this blame-game leds nowhere, and as the years pass, we play straight into the politicians and fat cat's hands. Doesn't anyone else see the logic of what I am trying to say?

The answer to your question is that the Turkish side needs some excuse to continue their occupation. They need to have an answer to the question: Why are you illegally occupying Cyprus and keep 200.000 people out of their homes?

They are trying to give an answer to the above by presenting a distorted one sided version of a past decade which they are trying to present as an excuse for their "right" to violate the sovereignty of Cyprus and the human rights of Greek Cypriots in eternity.

I would be more than glad to stop discussing the past, but unfortunately I can't do that just by myself. The only thing I can do is to remind those people that in history they have a lot more blame than anybody else so they should be the last ones to try to use it as an excuse for illegalities and crimes.

Why don't you give it a try Nicole? Try asking people about the future without entering the blame game and discussions about the past. Wouldn't the natural solution for Cyprus be a democratic country like every other in EU, with equal Cypriot citizens and no racist discriminations? How will those that want the division of Cyprus and its people in an Apartheid way support their argument if not by bringing up again their distorted verion of a tiny part of history?

[Viewpoint]

I have been reading your threads and can't understand why we always need to blame each other for our ancestor's failings on BOTH SIDES! Why can't we just say, yes.........that was then and this is NOW, and we want a solution, we want to go home and bring up our children on Cyprus hilly lands. Why can't we just forget what happened? and look forward........wake up and smell the coffee. All this blame-game leds nowhere, and as the years pass, we play straight into the politicians and fat cat's hands. Doesn't anyone else see the logic of what I am trying to say?

Without learning our lessons from the past we cannot build a future together, thats the problem. Without a structure inplace that will ensure we do not repeat or have the opportunity to reapeat the mistakes of the past we cannot move forward and we will be stuck in status quo for a very long time to come. It is this structure that we have been unable to agree as GCs see TCs as just another minority like the Pakistanis in the UK and we see ourselves as partners just like the Serbians, Montenegros, Germans French and Italians of Switzerland where we have rights above those of just an average minority group. The trust factor is below zero as the politics from both sides has not cultivated anything positive even the opening of borders has not made a difference it only served to show that the people on a one to one basis are fine but the political emphasis is still dividing the people even further.

[askimwos]

I have been reading your threads and can't understand why we always need to blame each other for our ancestor's failings on BOTH SIDES! Why can't we just say, yes.........that was then and this is NOW, and we want a solution, we want to go home and bring up our children on Cyprus hilly lands. Why can't we just forget what happened? and look forward........wake up and smell the coffee. All this blame-game leds nowhere, and as the years pass, we play straight into the politicians and fat cat's hands. Doesn't anyone else see the logic of what I am trying to say?

Without learning our lessons from the past we cannot build a future together, thats the problem. Without a structure inplace that will ensure we do not repeat or have the opportunity to reapeat the mistakes of the past we cannot move forward and we will be stuck in status quo for a very long time to come. It is this structure that we have been unable to agree as GCs see TCs as just another minority like the Pakistanis in the UK and we see ourselves as partners just like the Serbians, Montenegros, Germans French and Italians of Switzerland where we have rights above those of just an average minority group. The trust factor is below zero as the politics from both sides has not cultivated anything positive even the opening of borders has not made a difference it only served to show that the people on a one to one basis are fine but the political emphasis is still dividing the people even further.

What a hypocrite!

Do you listen to what you are saying Vp or are you just saying this for the sake of saying?
People accepted that in the past there have been atrocities from both sides. Everybody apart from the partitionists pack that includes you and unfortunately zan tried to see this process as a reconciliation process. I regret to say that this was not the case for you and zan who see this as another propaganda tool in order to perpetuate hard feelings and hatret in order to promote your partitionist agenda.
Don't you for one minute ask youself how come the GCs who have suffered more than 6,000 dead (thats 1% of the GC population at the time) and uncountable rapes continue to want reunification under the very painful solution of BBF?

It is one thing to question the past and try to heal the open wounds through this process and another to scratch an open wound as you and your likes do. So please do not talk again about learning from the past as this in your mind is no different from the process that Denktash and the grey wolves have been trying to exploit in order to maintain the climate of hatret for their partitionist agenda.

[Viewpoint]

I have been reading your threads and can't understand why we always need to blame each other for our ancestor's failings on BOTH SIDES! Why can't we just say, yes.........that was then and this is NOW, and we want a solution, we want to go home and bring up our children on Cyprus hilly lands. Why can't we just forget what happened? and look forward........wake up and smell the coffee. All this blame-game leds nowhere, and as the years pass, we play straight into the politicians and fat cat's hands. Doesn't anyone else see the logic of what I am trying to say?

Without learning our lessons from the past we cannot build a future together, thats the problem. Without a structure inplace that will ensure we do not repeat or have the opportunity to reapeat the mistakes of the past we cannot move forward and we will be stuck in status quo for a very long time to come. It is this structure that we have been unable to agree as GCs see TCs as just another minority like the Pakistanis in the UK and we see ourselves as partners just like the Serbians, Montenegros, Germans French and Italians of Switzerland where we have rights above those of just an average minority group. The trust factor is below zero as the politics from both sides has not cultivated anything positive even the opening of borders has not made a difference it only served to show that the people on a one to one basis are fine but the political emphasis is still dividing the people even further.

What a hypocrite!

Do you listen to what you are saying Vp or are you just saying this for the sake of saying?
People accepted that in the past there have been atrocities from both sides. Nobody apart from the partitionists pack that includes you and unfortunately zan tried to see this process as a reconciliation process. I regret to say that this was not the case for you and zan who see this as another propaganda tool in order to perpetuate hard feelings and hatret in order to promote your partitionist agenda.
Don't you for one minute ask youself how come the GCs who have suffered more than 6,000 dead (thats 1% of the GC population at the time) and uncountable rapes continue to want reunification under the very painful solution of BBF?

It is one thing to question the past and try to heal the open wounds through this process and another to scratch an open wound as you and your likes do. So please do not talk again about learning from the past as this in your mind is no different from the process that Denktash and the grey wolves have been trying to exploit in order to maintain the climate of hatret for their partitionist agenda.

So what you are saying is we should not learn from the past to avoid making the same mistakes in the future? because you feel you suffered more (% wise I think we are about the same) but imo suffering cannot be measured in numbers. Im having problems understanding your attack could you kindly clarify your outburst. The only BBF that was put forward was rejected by no other than yoursleves and the rejecting side has done absoulutely nothing to rectfiy this rejection.